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when in India, gave him no favourable and of discipline, all that is requisite on impression of the institution. But, at a that vast field of public service which our later period, when he became intimately extended empire presents, on which many acquainted with several of their civil esta. of the students from Haileybury have blishment who had been educated there, highly distinguished themselves, and where whose moral character and intellectual now are to be found some of the brightest acquirements were of the highest order, ornaments that any public service in any and when he heard them in glowing terms country ever produced. It was now, how. repeatedly express their obligations to the ever, proposed, that this system of educaCollege, which they revered as their alma tion and discipline, which, by the 53d of mater ; when they, in fact, reversed the the late King, was made obligatory, should epigrammatic sentiment of the Hon. Mo henceforth be optional ; but to guard against ver (Mr. Kinnaird), and instead of de- the evil—for the very projectors of the new scribing the system as one which converted system apprehended them—to guardagainst a boon into a penalty, declared that the the evil consequences which actually resultcompulsion which sent them to Hailey- ed from a latitude of choice in education bury rendered that boon still more valu. before the existence of the College, what able ; he felt satisfied that, whatever evils has the Hon. Proprietor (Mr. Kinnaird) existed, and he must be deaf as well as proposed ? He says, “ that those who, blind who denied their existence, were to availing themselves of the option, decline be traced to a want of moral principle a college education, must, before they in some of the students before they went are permitted to proceed to India in the to Haileybury, or to some internal mis- capacity of writers, submit their qualificamanagement of the College, but certainly tions and acquirements to the test of a not to the nature of the institution itself. public examination, to be appointed by the He must, however, contend that the Court Court of Directors and the Board of Conwas not the place in which these evils were troul.” But if these qualifications and to be corrected ; the Legislature had acquirements can be as adequately obtainwisely committed the application of the ed without the pale of the College as remedy to another authority-- the Court of withir: it, then the proposition of the Hon. Directors, under the controul of the Board Gentleman does not go far enough : it of Commissioners for the Affairs of India ought to extend to the total abolition of —and with them that right might safely be an institution, which, upon this presumpleft; but if they failed in the discharge of tion, is a lavish and useless expenditure. their duty, it was certainly competent for There is, however, a striking difference bei this Court to call on them to account for tween the system in operation and that protheir conduct. When his official situation posed to be substituted, which need only placed him more in connexion with this be pointed out to shew one great cause of College, the opinion he had formed be the clamour raised against the college. came strengthened; and, notwithstanding Within the college there must be subordithe disgraceful scenes of insubordination nation-without the college there need be and riot which had occurred, notwithstand

A simple public examination may ing the reports which were circulated be sufficient to try the abilities of a stu(often, he believed, with much exaggera. dent: it cannot be competent to try his tion) to the prejudice of the College, he disposition, or bis habits of submission to had sent his son to that institution without authority; it cannot train him to rule a fear or a doubt, (hear!) and he was others with moderation, by the carly re. happy to say the result had amply justified gulation of his own temper and conduct

. the confidence with which he did so. (Hear!) One material object of college (Hear !) They were now called on, after discipline is, to nip in the bud the growth the existence of this college for twenty of a spirit which, in a soil genial to its years, to apply to Parliament for the re

production, may ripen into the bitterest peal of a fundamental clause in the act by fruit. They all knew that great talents which it was instituted, and on which, nor were often found in alliance with violent withstanding the disclaimer of such being and ungovernable minds; these may lead the intention of the Hon. Morer, he must a young man triumphantly through a pub. assert, that the very existence of the Col lic examination, whilst the lurking vices lege, as to any useful purpose, mainly de.. in the character of the youth may wholly pended. They were called upon to procure escape observation ; and they again may the sanction of the Legislature to those become more dangerous and destructive, qualifications, the possession of which all from the talents with which they are as. admitted to be essential to the ethiciency sociated; (hear!) and if not detected of their civil service in India, being sought and checked by early discipline, may burst elsewhere or any where as well as at the Col. forth in their maturity, when they cannot lege, which was expressly established to see be controlled, and when their indulgence cure the attainment of them, and where may lead to incalculable evils. (Hear!) alone was to be found concentered in one It was said, and said truly, in the first consistent coinprehensive course of study part of tl:is debate, that much of the hap

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piness of the millions over whom we rule The Chairman.-“ Although I am sure in India, much of the character and sta my Hon. Friend did not mean to state any bility of our government, must depend thing disrespectful of those gentlemen, upon the disposition and principle of the still, from the manner in which the intimaembryo statesmen who are selected to fill tion has been received, I would put it to high and various functions in their civil him, whether he had not better abstain service in India : but it is important to from any topic that can by possibility disbear in mind, that for this test of qualifi- turb the good understanding and harmony cation the proposed plan makes no provi- which have hitherto prevailed? Though sion; nor is it capable of any adequate to my Hon. Friend may bring forward the the purpose, or which can stand in compe- subject very temperately, yet it is possitition with the ordeal of a two years' sub ble that other gentlemen may not pursue jection to college discipline, under the the same course.” vigilant eye and experienced guidance of Mr. Money. — After what had fallen competent professors-and, he would fur. from the Chair, he should only state, that ther say, under the salutary terror to the his object was fairly to make the striking insubordinate and vicious, of disgrace, ex circumstance to which he was about to repulsion, and loss of appointment. It was fer, when he was so unusually interrupted, natural that those parents who had their subservient to the view which he took of fairest hopes of placing their sons in the this question. He would, however, waive civil service of the Company blasted, should any further observation on these cases, and consider unnecessary, harsh and severe, the proceed with the general discussion. Ile penalty of expulsion for disobedience to would venture to ssert, without the fear authority--that they should regard the of contradiction, that instances of commopunishment as exceeding the nature of tion and expulsion had not been more the offence : but neither the East-India numerous or more striking at Haileybury College, nor any other, without the power than at other collegiate foundations, which of inflicting this penalty, could be govern- have had the influence of ancient character ed with effect; and, during the whole of to support them; they should then be this discussion, he had heard but one dis rather considered as exceptions from the sentient voice on that proposition. He general reputation of the college, than as would ask, had that discretion been exer forming its more prominent and objecçised with harshness or excess ? During tionable features. Allusion was made on twenty years, what was the number of Wednesday last to some discreditable students admitted to the College, and what scenes and disgraceful acts which had rethe number expelled? There had been 721 cently occurred in the two first colleges of students entered during that period, and our great universities; but they have not there were only twenty expulsions. (Hear!) been considered by the public to have If they were to compare that number lowered the high reputation of Oxford with the number of young men expelled or Cainbridge: but, if such scenes had in the same time from other colleges in occurred at Haileybury, they would have this kingdom, it would be found, he been blazoned forth as positive proofs of a thought, far iuferior in amount. Of that vicious system of education, which ought number were, he believed, the two gal. to be suppressed. The trial and condemlant officers alluded to by the Hon. and nation of a student of Trinity bad left no Learned Gent. opposite (Mr. Gahagan), blot upon that venerable seat of learning; who bestowed the severest epithets that but had a student at Haileybury been publanguage or ingenuity could supply on licly convicted of an act of moral turpitude the barbarity of the expulsion, and sarcas and sentenced to an ignominious punishtically remarked, that those who were ment, the stain would have been transferred deemed unworthy to serve the East-India from the criminal to the college, and deemCompany, were considered very worthy of ed indelible. He averred, on the authority bearing his Majesty's commission. He of those most competent to decide upon it, (Mr. Money) had authority for saying that the general conduct of the young men that one of these gallant officers, and he at the East-India College has been orderly believed both

and studious, and that the students have The Hon. D. Kinnaird rose to order. He been contented and happy. If he might be thought it very hard to have the private permitted to adduce one testimony to this character and history of an individual, who fact, for the accuracy of which the scrupuhad nothing to do with this discussion, lous regard to truth in the writer enabled brought before the Court.

him with perfect confidence to vouch, he Mr. Money." If what I was about to thought it would go far with the unpresay could cast even a shade of reflection on judiced to remove the tendency of the misthose respectable individuals, I should at representations by which the college had once sit down; but as what I have to state been traduced, and to shew the benefits, is to their honour, as it is to the credit

of not only that might be, but which actually the College, I consider that I am'perfectly

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sulting the welfare of his child, would when he stated, that “it was not his inwittingly forego, and such as no student tention to overthrow the establishment ;" anxious for his own improvement and fu- but the tendency of the present motion was ture destination, would not be emulous to to destroy the college, and to substitute attain.- Hear, hear!) The letter he in its stead, what is at best but an untried would read, was from a student at Hailey- and doubtful experiment-optional educa. bury to his father :

tion, subject to an examination of the edu« I feel that the nearer the time ap- cated.-(Hear!) It was material, in the proaches when I must quit this place, the discussion of the question, to bear in mind more I grow attached to it-the greater that the East-India College was, by the esteem I feel for the institution, and those very essence of its constitution, a place who direct it: for I can truly say, I have " at once preparatory and probationary." never spent a happier year and a half than This point was well stated by the Hon. I have here, and shall always remember Chairman, when he read the college stait with the most pleasing associations. I tute which applied to it. An Hon. Friend believe there are not a few who will leave of his (Mr. Poynder), who spoke early in this spot with the same impressions. Our the debate, bad been taunted for asking, if lectures, too, this term, have been most in this new system be adopted, what parents teresting, particularly those of the Princi. would send their sons to Haileybury Colpal; our Latin subject being De Naturâ lege? He (Mr. Money) would answer, Deorum, we had to peruse all the ancient that few parents would be found willing to systems of philosophy; to read all the best hazard the two-fold risk of forfeiting a English authors upon the existence of the valuable provision for their sons, if the Deity, such as Barrow, Butler, Warbur- option be given of submitting their capaton, Paley, Sumner, &c. &c. tracing the city for the appointment to one test alone, steps of revelation and reason, and all that of an examination of their abilities. the arguments which are most popular to To those parents who will shrink from this refute deistical and atheistical notions. double-shotted danger when it becomes Doctor Batten always in the last term gives avoidable, may be added all those whose the student some work to read, which impatience to launch their sons into the enables him to introduce these subjects, public service may seek to hasten them which he does in the most clear and in upon their career prematurely ; and many teresting manner. The last term which others, again, who will be desirous of purwent out, we had to examine all the works chasing education alone at a cheaper rate upon the immortality of the soul, and upon than that at which it can be obtained at the a future state of rewards and punishments; East-India College. These, however, are and so he goes on, giving each term some personal motives, distinct from the proper of the leading doctrines of Christianity to grounds on which a question of such naperuse and examine, which I think answers tional importance as the best mode of here all the purposes of theological lec educating and training the civil servants tures, particularly in the way in which he of the Company ought be decided. If communicates this mode of lecturing.” the place and course of instruction are to be

Mr. Elphinstone, the Director. Who optional, the East-India College will be wrote that letter ?".

rendered worse than useless. But it is Mr. Money.--"It was with some feeling not by the disappointment of a few, or of parental pride, which it would be in even of many refractory youths, who have vain for him to attempt to disguise, and shewn themselves unworthy of the bene. for which he hoped he should be pardoned, fits placed within their reach, and who that he stated the writer of that letter to be would, in all probability, manifest the his son; (hear, hear !) who, on com same disposition to resist authority under pleting his terms, received the highest any other system of tuition; it is not honours which the college could confer by the mistaken views of parents, howfor his conduct and talents; (hear !) and ever respectable and numerous, that the was now, with many of his fellow-students, college, under its present system of comdisseminating in India the benefits of that pulsory and indispensable preparation, education, and those habits of self-govern- must stand or fall- a system, be it rement to which they have been trained at membered, which is in full operation at Haileybury. (Hear!) Yet this excel. Addiscombe, which has been held up by lent and peculiarly appropriate system of the opponents of Haileybury as an exameducation, for so he must maintain it to ple for imitation. The influence and effect be, notwithstanding its admitted defects of this system upon the civil servants, upon for what human institution is exempt from the governments, and upon the people of them?-this system, which had been twenty India, to whom the students are destined years in operation, it was the drift of the to afford protection and dispense justice; present motion to annihilate. When he the means which it affords beyond any made this observation, he begged leave to other existing mode of training youth, say, that he gave the Hon. Mover full of enabling them and the Directors to credit for the sincerity of his declaration, fulfil the great trust with which they have

charged themselves, were the paramount at once its founder and its historian : considerations by which the Court were (Hear!) a man whose long and various bound (independently of all personal or and splendid services ranked him amongst party feelings) to decide upon the question the first of soldiers and statesmen, to submitted to them. These considerations whom the Company and the country owe alone should occupy their undivided at a large debt of gratitude, for the acquisitention, before they agree to a change, tion and consolidation of the empire in which would paralize a long existing in India. (Hear!) But his peculiar claim to stitution ; before they apply to Parliament public gratitude did not rest here: he not to render optional, or, he should rather say, only raised the British name above the nugatory, a peculiar system of qualifica- lofty eminence it had attained by the arms tion, which they themselves proposed and which he heroically wielded in victory, have acted upon, and which the Legislature but still more by cultivating the arts, and had sanctioned and enforced, not with the diffusing the blessings of peace among the view to the accommodation of patronage, conquered, and by laying deep the founor to meet the wishes of those among dations of a paternal government, in the whom it may be distributed, but with a immutable principles of justice and husingle eye to the blessings to be diffused manity. (Hear!) They need only turn by the operation of the system, over a vast to his Memoirs of Central India, to see and distant empire. When they reflected what rapid progress had been made in the how materially these must depend upon art of good government and civilization, the mental and moral qualifications of the and to learn how much of what had been youths who are annually sent to assist in effected, under his able administration of the government of that great dominion ; Malwa, was attributable, and had been and when they call to mind the mischiefs attributed by him, with his characteristic which accrued in former times, from the candour and liberality, to the instruments want of discrimination and caution in the with which he had to work—the civil and appointments which were made; they military servants of the Company, trained would be able to form a just estimate of the as they now were. (Hear :) That the awful responsibility which attaches to their East-India College was one great source Executive Body. (Hear :) It was the from which these blessings sprung, he lamentable deficiency of these qualifica- could confidently maintain : and yet this tions wbich was most forcibly and irrefuta- it was the direct tendency of the motion bly pointed out by the Marquess Wellesley, before the Court to destroy. The radical in his celebrated minute of August 1800, change of system now proposed was not which led to the formation of the East new : at the close of 1816, an attack on India College. The real question, then, the college was made on similar grounds, was simply this, “ Has the institution an and defeated. Every one who had read swered the purposes for which it was es. the unanswerable arguments and clear tablished ? Has it in any degree corrected statements published on that occasion by the evils which previously existed ?” What, one of the professors of the college, who he would ask, was the state of the civil would adorn the professor's chair at any colservice now, contrasted with that defective lege-he alluded to Mr. Malthus-would state, which was so much felt and lamented not wonder at the result of that controbefore the foundation of the college? versy. In the course of these discussions, Was there ever a period in the annals of reference had been made to the opinion of the East-India Company when their civil his late lamented colleaguc, Mr. Grant, servants were so eminently distinguished with whom the institution of the college for cultivated talents, enlarged views, and is known to have originated ; and whose high and disinterested principles ? (Hear!) wisdom, talents, and long and eminent serWas there ever a period in the history of vices to the Company, would ever live in the India when justice was so equally and so grateful recollection and veneration of that ably administered ; when power was so Court. (Hear, hear!) He was indeed mildly exercised, and so wisely directed ; an advocate, who, by his masculine powers, when, in short, the people subjected to his acute reasoning, and his commanding British rule were so content with their eloquence, silenced all former attacks on rulers ? (Hear!) In the long interval his favourite institution. The advantage which had elapsed since the foundation of said Mr. Money) of such a union of the college, how immensely had the practical knowledge and enlightened' zeal boundaries of our dominions been en. was lost to them ; but his bright example larged, our duties been multiplied with remained, and he confidently hoped that, our acquisitions, and rendered more com by imitating the consistency and firmness plicated and arduous ! (Hear!) A new which distinguished his character, the mogovernment-that of Central India, in tion would be successfully resisted, and itself a kingdom, had fallen under our the question set at rest for ever. He then happy sway, from a state of anarchy and conjured the Court not to entertain a promisrule. They had only to turn to the position, the effect of which would be the enlightened pages of Sir John Malcolm, demolition of a noble edifice, which at a

great cost they themselves had raised, and more zealously contend for its advantage. which, however it may contain some de But I never can persuade myself that it fects, as he admitted it did, was yet as was justifiable to form a separate estacapable of being made perfect to its end, blishinent in England. It may be doubted as any work of human contrivance could at what age these youths may most ad. be rendered. (Hear!) It now rested on vantageously be sent to India : but up to a solid foundation, and will yet withstand the latest moment of their continuance in all the rude shocks by which it may be this country, be that period what it may, assailed, either from without or from I see the strongest possible reasons against within its walls, if that Court did not their being separated in education from the consent to its downfall. (Hear :) I con young men of their own age and station in fidently trust (concluded Mr. Money) that life. "Instead of forming them beforehand it will never be accessary to the ruin of into an exclusive class, into something re. so splendid a structure, but that it will sembling a distinct caste of men, destined endure to future ages, a monument of the to administer government in remote pro patriotic feeling, beneficent views, en vinces, they ought, above all other public lightened policy, munificence, and magna. servants, to receive, so long as they connimity of the East-India Company. (Hear, tinue in England, an education purely hear !)

English. Instead of rejecting, we should, Mr. Trant hoped, from what he had I think, have embraced with eagerness the heard before he entered the Court on the advantage which our great schools and preceding Wednesday, that this question universities would lave afforded to them would not, like some that were taken up for this purpose ; that they might lear in another assembly, be considered a cabin there, I trust, with not less facility than net question. He trusted the Proprietors elsewhere, the elements of wbatever sciences would be favoured with the sentiments of you could wish them to possess; that is those gentlemen, who sat on the other side addition to those, they might find there, of the bar, and who were supposed to be and there only could they find, that best of not altogether unfavourable to this motion. all education to a public man, which forms He believed he was the first person who the mind to manly exertion and honourahad risen in the Court, on this occasion, ble feeling-the education which young who had any recent experience of the men receive from each other in the nunieCompany's civil service abroad. He was rous and mixed society of their equals, sorry that it had fallen to so humble an collected from various classes of our collindividual as himself to be foremost in munity, and destined to various ways of drawing the attention of the Court to life; that they might there be imbued with the real state of the case ; but, relying the deepest tincture of English manners on that indulgence which he had on and English attachments--of English other occasions received from the Pro- principles—and, I am not afraid, in this prietors, he would state a few of those case, to say, also, of English prejudices; opinions, which long reflection and research and that they might carry out with them had induced him to form on this subject from thence to India remembrances and He should, in the first place, beg permis affections, not local only, but personal sion of the Court, to read a short extract recollections not merely of the scenes, but from a speech delivered by Lord Gren. of the individuals endeared to thein by ville, in the year 1813, and which had early habits, mixed with the indelible been already alluded to in the course of the impression of those high sentiments and debate. This speech was delivered by his virtuous principles, which, I am happy to Lordship in the House of Lords, on the think, Roat in the very atmosphere of our renewal of the Company's charter. The public places of education, and contribute Noble Lord, after adverting to the opinion much more, I think, than is commonly held by Marquess Wellesley on the want supposed, to all on which we most value of a suitable education for the young men ourselves in our national character." intended for the civil service in India, Having read this extract, it might, perproceeded to speak thus of the institution haps (observed Mr. Trant), be my best at Haileybury :

policy to sit down. (Hear, hear! and “ The deficiency was, however, ac laughter.) He only said, what almost any knowledged, and a separate college has other man would say; for, in truth, that been established in England, for the edu extract did contain, in his simple mind, cation of the young men destined for the whole essence of the argument, and India. If I speak of this plan as I think he was sure that any thing which he could of it, with strong disapprobation and re add must appear ta me and uninteresting. gret, let it not be inferred that I object to (Ileur !) But, as he had passed the any degree of attention which can be whole of his life in the Company's civil given, even to the earliest instruction and service, he would make a few obseriadiscipline of those who are destined for tions, and state a few facts which bore Indian service-far from it. No inan will directly on this question. Before lie piece more rejoice in this than I shall--no man ceeded farther, he would, however, vel

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