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ture to touch on a subject, which formed were, at that day, able and intelligent part of the discussion in that Court on the men about the Marquess Wellesley. There day before yesterday. He meant the state were some then in Court, wbose names he of the civil service, previously to the es would mention, had they not been present. tablishment of the College at Calcutta, There were others, however, whom, he by the Marquess Wellesley, or to the regretted to say, they could never again see foundation of Haileybury College by in that place, and whom he might therefore those gentlemen who were anxious to have name without offence. There was, magan institution nearer home. An Hon. num et venerabile nomen, Grant; there was Friend (Mr. Poynder), whom he did not Lumsden; (Hear!) and, if it were necesthen see in his place, did, he believe, say, in sary, he could point out several other disthe hurry of debate at the last Court, that tinguished characters. At length the Col. the minute of the Marquess Wellesley lege at Haileybury was established, and subconveyed an idea of the most deplorable sequently that most important clause, which ignorance amongst all classes of the Com was at present under the consideration of pany's civil servants, at the time it was the Court, was introduced into the Act of written. These words, he had no doubt, Parliament. He would not enter much were used; and they were, he supposed, into that part of the subject, after the contaken down as accurately by the reporters clusive statement of the Hon. Member as by him.* Now, he would be really who had introduced this motion. But sorry if such an assertion went forth to the there was one part on which that Hon. world uncontradicted. He felt great re Gent. did not touch, which was well spect for the Marquess Wellesley, but he worthy of attention, as it placed the infelt much greater respect for truth; and convenience of this restrictive clause in a truth compelled him to say, that the Noble very clear light. He would ask this quesMarquess was under a temptation to rather tion, whether the Bengal and the other overcolour the picture he drew of the governments of India had not made an civil service. He had to make out a case application for a larger supply of young (one that would be satisfactory to gentle men for their establishments? He had men behind the bar), to justify the ex. been informed, on good authority, that penditure of some half-million of money for the Bengal Government had now a less the erection of a College at Fort William. proportion of civil servants than was atBut, as the authority of the Marquess Wel- tached to it in 1810. The Hon. Director lesley had been quoted on one side of the who had just sat down, had eloquently question—as it had been quoted, in proof stated the duties which resulted from our that the civil servants were, when he en- late increase of territory: he (Mr. Trant) tered on the duties of administration, would now lay before the Proprietors what weak and inefficient, it would be proper the state of the niuster-roll of Haileybury for him (Mr. Trant) to quote what that was at present. There were eighty or eightyNoble Marquess had said with reference one students, of whom twenty or twenty. to those gentlemen who went out to India one bad kept three terms ; so that, in the before any establishment for the education next six months, twenty-one civil servants of their civil servants had been instituted. might be sent out to India. Now, acHe wished, therefore, to call the attention cording to his view of the exigencies of of the Court to the following sentiments de this service, he thought they might double, livered by that Noble Lord. The Marquess triple--nay, quadruple that number with Wellesley had thús expressed himself: - good effect. But how were they to do “ The study and acquisition of the languages this? The Act of Parliament said, “no have, however, been extended in Bengal; person shall be admitted to the civil service and the general knowledge and qualifica- of the Company until he has passed four tions of the civil servants have been im. terms at Haileybury.” This, then, was proved. The proportion of the civil ser a bar to their sending out young men, vants, who have made a considerable pro however well qualified, until this regulagress towards the attainment of the qualiti- tion had been complied with. It had been cations requisite in their several stations, stated, in the course of the debate, that appears great, and even astonishing, when they who supported this motion, ought to viewed with regard to the early disadvan. be prepared to prove that Haileybury Cages, embarrassments, and defects of the College was malum in se; and that, if civil service." It would certainly appear such were the case, it ought to be wholly From this, that the individuals who were at abolished. Now, he would give his reahat period employed in the civil service, sons for thinking that it was malum in se. were not taken from behind petty counters After what Lord Grenville had said (and --were not selected from the low and unin- he believed no man could doubt the wisormed classes : all which might be inferred dom and experience of that Noble Lord, rom the speech of his Hon. Friend. There especially in matters of education : no

man, he imagined, could doubt, that the • The reporters were, at the time, in a very bad Chancellor of the University of Oxford fuation for taking down any thing.

was a competent judge of questions of this

Inature), after what he had said, the pro who had not been educated in that famous priety of this exclusive system might well College, was fit to be trusted in their be challenged. He (Mr. Trant) had read treasury abroad, was worthy of being adattentively all the debates in that Court, mitted into their Government, or to be he had perused all the publications on this considered as a man of common honesty. subject, he had spared no pains to make (Cries of no, no.) At least, of that su. himself master of it: and the result was, perior, that refined and exalted honesty, that he found his objections to this institu- which was said to distinguish the persons tion increased and confirmed. It was educated at Haileybury. (Hear, hear!) said, that our universities or public schools He did not think that he had at all overwere unfit for imparting to young men stated the case, as he had heard it. But, destined for India those branches of having had some experience of the Comknowledge which their situation would pany's civil administration in its different require. It was admitted that those es departments, he would say, if he wished tablishments were very good for English to form an efficient public servant, “ give purposes, but that they were good for me (or rather give to those in India who nothing quo ad-hoc—that they were useless are competent to form him for service with respect to oriental education. He, there) a young man from Oxford or Cam. however, was of opinion, that by certain bridge, who has been favoured with the additions to the College course-instruc usual means of general instruction ; let tion in political economy, for instance, him not be barely fifteen or sixteen, but and by the institution of such profes- twenty or twenty-one years of age, and if sorships as the necessity of the case re he does not serve you well, then I will quired, they might not only serve them say I have been very much mistaken.” selves essentially, but also confer a great (A laugh.) On the subject of instrucnational benefit. He thought that Oxford tion in oriental literature at Haileybury, and Cambridge, with such additional he begged leave to quote a passage from means, would answer every purpose which an article which had appeared in The the Company had in view. At present, Quarterly Review, in April 1817. It those learned establishments had very good was anonymous : but was supposed to means for general instruction and educa have been written by a member of this tion; and, with the addition of Oriental Court, who had reviewed Mr. Malthus's Professors, they could give to young men pamphlet. The writer said, “ Occupied, intended for the Company's civil service indeed, as the students are at the Eng. all the knowledge and information that the lish college, with the simultaneous purcircumstances of their situation demanded. suit of several branches of European His slow apprehension was at a loss to learning and science, and compelled, as discover why Mr. Pitt was taken from they are, to accomplish their whole course Cambridge and almost immediately placed within the short space of two years, it at the helm of this great empire, if that would be preposterous to expect that their university was not calculated to give an acquirements in the oriental languages enlarged insight into questions of finance should, for the most part, be considerand of general policy. Let the Court able; or, with reference to the extent consider, for a moment, the eminent men and difficulty of those languages, should whom the universities had given to the even reach mediocrity. We hesitate not country. Oxford had given us the present to say that, in the sense described, they Lord Chancellor Eldon, and numbered ought not to reach this limit. They Blackstone among her professors. He should, as was observed in an early part was slow, therefore, in admitting the idea of these observations, be purely rudimenthat a young man could not there arrive tal. Oriental literature, at any seminary

a knowledge of the principles of established for the Company's servants in English law. Oxford had produced the England, is to be considered rather as an Marquess Wellesley; Mr. Canning, who appendage, though an important one, than had been president of the Board of Con as a principal, and should be pursued in troul ; and Lord Grenville, who was the careful subservience to those European first president of that Board. Would it studies which constitute the proper and be contended that Oxford was incapable of primary business of such a place. In this educating men for the subordinate offices view, we cannot help unequivocally disapof the Indian Government? The clergy proving of what has been established at of the establislıment uniformly received the present college, under the name of their education at the universities. Could the Oriental Test,' though it appears to it therefore be believed, that the religion have been originally suggested by Mr. Maland morality which were to be had there thus himself. As an indispensable conwere not fit for exportation to India ? dition of leave to proceed to India, the stu--- (Hear, hear!) He asked this ques- dents are required to attain a certain given tion with the more earnestness, because degree of proficiency in oriental learning, they had heard much of the peculiar and in this alone. But let there be a gemorality of Haileybury; as if no man, neral test, or none al all. There is no


reason why one particular branch of study when a crisis of any kind arises, an insti. should thus be promoted in preference to tution like this is deficient in the means of the rest; and if one must be preferred, overawing disturbance."* Such were the there are good reasons why that one should sentiments of the gentleman to whom he not be oriental literature. The truth is, had alluded. that oriental literature has already sufficient " Non mens hie sermo, mili sed præcepit Ofrllus," encouragement, from the prospect of the He could truly say, that, of all the argu. distinctions conferred on it in the College ments which he had heard against Haileyat Calcutta : and this is precisely the argu- bury College, this struck him as the ment against distinguishing it by peculiar strongest ; and on this subject he would, honours in the College at Hertford.” with the permission of the Court, add a Now he (Mr. Trant) must say, that the few remarks, This College, under the sentiments contained in this extract met present system, would remain, and ever his ideas exactly; they came home “ to must remain, without the proper means of his business and his bosom.” With respect discipline. They all knew what the disci. to the discipline of the college, that most pline of the universities was. In them important question, which had been dwelt there was a particular species of discipline on with great force, both in this and in the belonging to each individual College, and former debates, he would state the opinion there was, besides, the superintending of a gentleman to whose eloquence they had discipline of the whole university, which forinerly listened with delight. The pas was entrusted to the Vice-Chancellor, the sage was as follows:-“I conclude, there Proctors, and other officers. Now, in the fore, that the system, in its usual operation, course of the former debates on this subis good; that the usual course of manage- ject, it was admitied that the first Princi. ment is good; that every thing is well ar pal of the College was not well selected. ranged and well conducted ; in short, that He was, it seemed, a very amiable and no blame can be imputed either to the con learned man, but he wanted some of those stitution or to the administration of the col- qualities which were necessary for the lege, but that the origin of the evil to be ac government of such a body; and he (Mr. counted for must be sought in something Trant) should not be at all astonished, if, at extrinsic, and perhaps adventitious. Now, some future time, a similar admission were Sir, in this point, it must be recollected, to be made from within the bar. At the that the India college is in some respects universities, however, the evil was speedily very differently situated from all other in remedied: there, if an individual were stitutions of the same species. The gene. found not to possess the necessary qualifi rality of collegiate establishments have cations for the efficient government of a colbeen founded in times of very imperfect lege, they soon heard of his being promoted. illumination, and by an authority which Gentlemen must recollect a recent disturbwas considered as paramount. They have, ance at one of those colleges, and they must therefore, easily acquired an unresisted know by the Gasette, that a recent prosway; and having begun by being strong motion sprang from that circumstance. in power, have ended with being strong in Much had been said of the due mainte. opinion; they have become interwoven with nance of order and propriety at the colall our national prejudices, and may be lege of Haileybury. Unfortunately he said to have struck their roots into the could not give credit to those statements; perpetual rock of the constitution. Hence he differed from the Hon. Gent. behind they command the unqualified reverence the bar (Mr. Money) on this point ; and, of mankind; and any attempt to shake notwithstanding all that had been said, he their authority, much more any attempt to (Mr. Trant) should not wish to send endanger their existence, would be con his son there. (Hear!) They had forsidered the last extreme of folly. The merly been told, that the expulsions did India College, on the other hand, has had not amount to 4 per cent., and according to to contend with something of those disad the statement of the Hon. Director they had vantages that are experienced by a govern been reduced to 2} per cent. He, howment established in times of light and ever, would contend, that the risk at this liberty, in times when almost every man college was much higher than at other places has an opinion, a voice, and a pen. It where it would not amount to the fraction necessarily wants all that hold on the pub- of ar unit. (Hear, hear!). During the lic mind, which is the growth of prescrip- period of eight years which he spent at tion and antiquity; that is, it wants one Eton, there was not a single expulsion, most important stay for the preservation of Indeed he must say, that if this system discipline, and the prevention of designs continued at Haileybury, an office, someof tumult. A student of evil dispositions, thing like that of Lloyd's, must be opened, (and we must expect a mixture of such in for the purpose of underwriting those every numerous assemblage of individuals) young men who entered the college may be led to entertain the idea that even a against the consequences of expulsion, project of oversetting the establishment is

* Speech of Mr. R. Grant in the Court of Pro. not wholly out of reach; and, at all events, prietorg, Fehruary 20, 1817. Asiatic Journ.-No. 100.

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(Hear, hear!) The state of the Com- on the subject of the selection and qualifi. pany's service abroad imperatively de- cation of Civil Servants for India, be manded that this compulsory clause should must be permitted to observe, that, even at he repealed. In 1812, or about that the present time, there were not sufficient time, on a requisition from Lord Minto young men, properly qualified, to fill the for fifty additional writers, the Hon. Gen- many important situations in their service; tlemen behind the bar were obliged to nor would they, under the present system, break through their own rule. Although, ever have a supply of able and intelligent hy the rule which they had themselves men commensurate with the demand. The laid down, all the young men intended state of the people of India, with respect for the civil service were commanded to to the acquirement of knowledge, the esgo to Haileybury; yet, on that occasion, pansion of intellect, and with reference to so much were civil servants wanted, that many other points, was very different inthe Directors were compelled to depart deed from what it was some years ago, from that rule. (Hear!) He had, and they might find it soon necessary through the kindness of the Hon. Chairs to resort to something like a system of man, seen some documents connected with competition, and to nominate two or that subject, and, looking to those who were three candidates for one appointment? sent out on that occasion, he saw the names Now, with respect to the morality of the of two highly distinguished individuals, College, he had one word more to say. Mr. Macnaghten and Mr. Reid. He be He had inquired much on that subject, lieved he was not wrong in stating, that Mr. and he had hoped to tind Haileybury the Macnaghten was declared to be the best “ happy valley” from which care, and Oriental scholar that ever went from the vice, and discontent, were carefully and college in Calcutta : he received prizes for effectually shut out ; he had been led to his proficiency in Arabic, for his know. suppose that the seclusion of its situation ledge of the Mahommedan law, and for his had exempted it from all temptation. An extensive acquaintance with Sanscrit and Hon. Friend observed, that the streets of Hindoo law, and had been placed in a Oxford and Cambridge, at night, presented situation of the highest responsibility, a shameful spectacle ; but perhaps the He now came to a subject which had Hon. Gent. might not find the lanes in the been touched on by one or two gentle vicinity of Haileybury in a much better men, and on which he was desirous to state; and he believed the walls of Haileysay a few words.

He alluded to the bury sheltered, at the present moment, some conduct of the Directors in giving up to of those vices which were too common to the Professors the power of expulsion, young men. He would speak boldly out: and the complete regulation of the col. this was no time for silence; he would lege. In doing this, the Directors were declare his opinion openly, “come what charged with having acted unconstitution come may.” He hoped he was misioally. For his own part, he was sure they formed; but he had been told that at this had acted wisely, if not constitutionally. moment the fashionable, prevalent, and He was perfectly convinced, that if the destructive vice of gaming was carried College were to remain, the only way to on at Haileybury to some extent. We prevent it from becoming a public nui- ought to let it be known that we, the sance was, to give full power to the Col. Proprietors of East-India Stock, are not lege Council to rule the institution with a to be put down by- or rather that we are rod of iron if necessary. He believed the not to put up with-the confident asserDirectors did what they considered to be tions which we continually hear, of the most advantageous for the service. The purity, morality, decency, propriety, and desire to render their service efficient all that, by which Haileybury College seemed to be so sincere, that, in his opi. is characterized. (Hear, hear!) There nion, the legislature ought to entrust them were one or two other points, which, if with more power than they at present pos- he might trespass a little more on their sessed ; they ought, at least, to have the patience, and he had no intention of taskpower of dispensing with this rule of com- ing it too much, he should wish slightly pulsory residence for a certain time in to notice. They had had, and probably the college, which they had once been would have again, numerous proofs of the ohliged to break through. In consider- very great proficiency, and the eminent ing this subject, he would give very con attainments, by which the young men who siderable latitude to the Directors, whose had proceeded from Haileybury College anxious feeling for the interest of the were distinguished above all others. Now Company no man could doubt. Still, he was the last person in the world to disa bowever, he thought the Hon. Gent, who pute the eminent qualifications and acbrought forward this question was right, quirements of some of those young men ; after what fell from the Chair, in refusing but, from the statements that had been to withdraw his motion, because they made, one would be inclined to suppose ought this day to come to some specitic that the entire mass was pure gold; that resolution on the subject. While he was every young man who came from Haiker.

bury (especially after the letter which the been afforded to the students, of leaving Hon. Director had read) was a model of college on proof of their competence for perfection. It so happened, however, that the public service, not merely at the halfit had been his misfortune to be set over yearly examination, but at intermediate some young men in India who came periods, necessarily operate to prevent the from Haileybury; and he could assure attainment in college of that proficiency the Court, if he had not been told that which would otherwise be manifested by they came from that college, he should many of them." This shewed, most dehave very much doubted whether they had cisively, that the Indian Government come from or been at any college at all. (A were obliged to hurry young men through laugh.) Their learning was scanty, either the college, and to enlist them into the through the neglect of others, or the want public service, before they were properly of attention in themselves; and as to that qualified—and why? because you send vigour of mind which sometimes made up them all to Haileybury, where they are for the defects of education, he could per compelled to remain for two years. ceive none of it. He would not descend (Hear, hear !) He did not think it neto particulars, but he would mention one cessary to say another word on the subject. case, to prove that an individual, having He would now merely ask the Mover gone through this system of discipline, one question, and then sit down. Ac. and having had his mind formed in the cording to his idea of the motion, as put, way the Hon. Director had described, the Court of Directors, if it were carried, might, nevertheless, forget his lesson. He would have the power, should they think found, that the only instance in which the fit to exercise it, to prescribe any particuGovernment of India was compelled to lar course of education. They were also, proceed to extreme severity—that of send. he understood, to appoint public examinaing back to England a young man who tions; and the publicity of that proceedwould learn nothing, and who, by his ing would, he conceived, do away with example, was spreading contagion around many of the objections to the removal of that the individual so dismissed came the compulsory clause. If the examinafrom Haileybury College.

tions, like those of the Charter-house, Here Mr. R. Grant rose and asked Mr. were perfectly open, it would, as had been Trant to give the date of the appointment. well stated, guard it in a great measure

Mr. Trant said he did not know the exact from these inconveniences which were said date, but that he would give a clue which to attend upon the examination of the Commight enable the secretary to find it out. pany's medical and naval servants. He

The Chairman said, the matter to which concluded, as he had before said, that the the Hon. Proprietor alluded was a case Directors would have the power, in a of notoriety behind the bar, and he trust great degree, of regulating the education ed that he would abstain from stating any of the young men ; but he was afraid particulars that might go forth to the there might be some misapprehension as public.

to the effect of removing this compulsory Mr. Trant resumed. He said he would clauze. He thought, even though it were proceed no farther on that point, but removed, that the right would still reas he had the paper containing an allusion main with the Directors, if they plcased, to the case be had now mentioned in to compel the young men to go to a partiPris hand, he would read from it some cular place, in the same way as had forremarks from a speech delivered merly been done. The removal of that Monday, the 21st of July 1823, by the clause did not take away from them the Hon. Mr. Adam, Governor-General, and right of making a rule. They had forVisitor of the College at Fort Wil merly made a rule of this kind; they had liam. The observations of that Hon. found it inconvenient, and they broke it. Gent, clearly proved that, under the exist They said to the young men,

you must ing system, Haileybury College was in. all go to this seminary,” but, under partiadequate to supply the number of civil cular circumstances, a certain number servants which the business of the Govern were sent out to India who did not com. ment demanded. He said, “ The exi ply with the rule. The Hon. Gent. congencies of the public service and the con cluded by stating that, although perhaps sequent demands for public officers to the motion was not exactly framed as be carry on the indispensable business of the could have wished it, it should have hiş Government, must always have a power support, being satisfied that it must do fal influence on the affairs of the college. some good, for hardly any system could Those exigencies have, for some years be worse than that which at present existed. past, compelled us to rest satisfied with a

(Flear, hear!) scale of distinction somewhat below that Mr. Bebb said many persons deprecated to which we might naturally and reason discussion in that Court relative to the ably aspire under a different state of cir colleges. The professors were averse to it: cumstances. The facilities which, in but he was not of that opinion, as he order to meet this urgent demand, have was convinced much benefit arose from


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