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present system) might have been urged tificates of qualification where the parties, it was liardly possible that the two parties during their rosidence in College, had just could each of them be right. (A laugh.) kept within the bounds of collegiate proOne of them must entertain some funda- priety, and having just satisfied the requimental error in its view of the question- sites of the statute, had obtained their testiand he himself was rather inclined to con monials and gone out to the East, although sider, that their right way of proceeding they were really very incapable. But he would be somewhere in a medium between would ask Honourable Gentlemen, whether the two extremes which had been proposed all this was not in the ordinary course of to the Court-(Hear, hear !) He was nature? It was the mere variety of the quite willing to acknowledge the extraor human mind,- were they all of them condinary benefits which the Company had jurors ?-(a laugh) were they all great derived from this institution : but he must statesmen ? or enlightened officers? or at the same time admit, that it manifested, able commanders? No!-(Hear! and a occasionally, great defects and disadvan- laugh). They could not all of them be tages. The immediate question, there- equally able he had no doubt but that fore, was, whether the sort of remedy that there might be many in that room who had been brought forward by the Hon. were almost all that he had mentioned, Proprietor was an appropriate remedy- and skilled in each capacity ; but it was (Hear!) He remembered, that, at the really probable that there were many who framing of the Bill which afterwards was were not-(a Inugh).-Indeed he could passed into an Act of Parliament, some of imagine nothing that would be productive its provisions were agitated in the next of more mischief and unquietness to the room very strongly, and he was certainly community than, if it were possible, that one of those who divided upon the ques- they should all of them be very clever feltion, as to whether it would not be a wise lows (a laugh); that there should be done and sound policy, on the part of the Com- possessing the humbler talents which were pany, to admit among the candidates for to be met with in society, If all men were civil employments in India those qualified gifted with the same high endowments, they individuals who inight not have been edu would be each for taking the lead in public cated in the college at Haileybury, affairs, and endless disturbances would (Hear!) He (Mr. Pattison) thought it

Now the use of those bumbler would be a wise and sound policy for talents was essentially this; that they should that it would be opening a door to merit, follow, while those of a higher order took wherever it was to be found, or from what the lead.—(Hear!) He thought, thereever quarter it might present itself-with- fore, that every Proprietur in candour out limiting its competency to the particu- would admit, that much good bad been lar college in question.-(Hear !) But, done to the Company's service by the inhowever he might have viewed the subject, stitution of the College. But the Court the body of Directors thought otherwise, were bound to look upon the question beand the Act of Parliament had since set fore them-not on any contracted printled the point definitely: for it was now ciple, but as to its bearings upon the Goprovided and enacted, that all the civil vernment of India as to the use which the servants of the Company must, previously College had been in that respect. to their entrance upon their appointments, It had been contended, that the qualifihave gone through a certain course of edu- cations which this institution was to furnish cation, and have kept four terms at the to the young men brought up under its least at Haileybury. He believed it was superintendence, might be obtained at a generally confessed that very important school. Now any body who was converservices had been derived from the College, sant with the duties to be performed by a and that it had sent out many eminent in- young man on leaving the college at Cal. dividuals to India. (Hear !) That was cutta, must know, that he who had no a fact that did not seem to be at all con more than the qualifications which he tested. So many officers of an admirable might have obtained at a school, would be education had distinguished themselves- very incompetent to the performance of who as young men had been pupils at the those duties. To that performance he College-that the practical benefits of the would have to carry an education of a institution c. uld not be doubted.

higher order than he would be very likely On the other hand, it was perfectly well to have received at any school, and the known that, in spite of its probations of command also of some share of self-conall those probations which had been so troul: that controul, under the bands of a much boasted of_very indifferent subjects mere Magister, the party would hardly have had occasionally found their way from been able to acquire, and indeed, if he should this College to India-(Hear!)-and it have acquired it under authority of that might be well worth while to inquire how kind, it would not most probably long rethis happened. It would be found, that main with him, seeing that on his arrival it arose from the fallibility of a regulation, in India the young man was himself to be which permitted the Professors to give cer obeyed. The question, then, to be con.

sidered was, whether greater talent might bury they were only students. ( Year!) not be obtained by the Company than it They were required to go through a cxat present derived from Haileybury, and tain course of study, and if, at the end of yet be obtained with equal benefit to its a stated period, their corduct and ac uireservice, by opening these qualifications ments were found to be such as to deserve to competition. Upon that question he it, then they were appointed writers. It (Mr. Pattison) must say, he entertained was not, therefore, too much to say, that considerable doubts. (Heur!). He could the loss of an appointmeni, vkich in lact not bring himself to decide whether the the unfortunate individuals whose criss was case would be so or not; but, in order to before the Court had never possessed, did arrive at the determination of the point, it not amount to the very great hardship it was clear that they must travel over very had been represented to be. inconvenient roads. The limitation to There certainly were a great number of Haileybury was now a part of the law of statutes afiecting the system and governthe land, and to obtain other talents, or ment of this College, and tho student was rather talents from other quarters, the

bound to observe them. At the same Court must be required to petition Parlia time, no one could deny that it would be a ment for an alteration of the law. No great grievance if young men must be man could entertain a higher respect for selected at an early aye, and sent to qualify the Commons House of Parliament than themselves at one certain place of educaa he did; and seeing the many benefits which tion, if the discipline of that place were not the country enjoyed from their labours, he of such a description as should ensure the thought every man must feel grateful to continuance of that education. A worthy them for their exertions : but, if the pre

friend of his had said that that discipline sent question were to go before them, and was insufficient, and that the number of then be referred to a committee, and if in hours devoted by the Professors to the eduthat committee a discussion should ensue cation of the young men was equally inas to what course should be adopted in re efficient for the proposed object. It bespect to such petition-he was not pre came his (Mr. Pattison's) duty, when pared to say to what length the House in he sat in the chair which their Hon. its present feeling might he disposed to go. Chairman now filled, to receive a notice He presumed that it was well known (and from his Hon. Friend Mr. Kinnaird, that it was matter of great advantage to India) he was about to bring on the discussion of that appointments to offices in India this subject ; this was at a time when disemanated from the body of Proprietors turbances to a great extent had recently through the medium of the Court of arisen in the College, and when it would Directors. He would not take upon him. have been evidently highly improper to have self to predict what the consequences might entered upon the public consideration of be of a different mode of appointment; but such a subject; the Hon. Proprietor (Mr. he was sure gentlemen would agree with Kinnaird) was then induced to withdraw him, that very serious mischiefs might his motion, upon the understanding that ensue if the mode of nominating writers the question should come on at a future were to be altered. In the present in- period. It devolved upon him (Mr. Patstance, circumstances had occurred, pro- tison) subsequently to state, that it had ductive undoubtedly of considerable pain been taken up by the Court of Directors and regret to individuals, but he was not most gravely and deliberately. at present speaking of families or their In the course of their investigations feelings. (Hear :) The Court had a upon the matter, the Directors had to disparamount duty to perform to the Go cuss at some length the conduct and the vernment of India; but it was of great cou duties of the College Professors. (Hear!) sequence that its servants should go out And he was free to own-for he had no free from any sort of influence that might secrets to keep in respect to his public acts, destroy their principles of action, and that (hear, hear !) that they experienced great the parents of those persons should also be difficulty in dealing with those gentlemen, free from such an influence. It appeared for their views were all collegiate, as they to him that there were two questions to be termed them; and the Directors were of considered by the Court : the one, the opinion that some new plan should be good of the service; the other, the good of adopted, if it were more advantageous to those individuals. Now he wished it to the Company's service than the existing be perfectly understood, that no man felt one, even if it should not appear to be more deeply or sincerely than he did for collegiate : (hear!) but the Professors the sufferings of those young men who had demurred to such an alteration, and cerbeen lately expelled from the College, and tainly no blame could attach to them on for those of their parents ; but he was not that account. Every Hon. Gentleman aware that it was generally known among would feel that, as young men, these Progentlemen, that young men going to fessors had been educated at an university, Haileybury College were not necessarily and having in their experience seen so appointed writers. (Hear!) At Hailey- many admirable examples of the excel.

ler.ce of such a system of education, they jected to the present course of proceeding would naturally Le prejudiced ir its favour. in this College. The College was divided

It would be admitted, however, thet into four classes or terms. Now it appeareven in the original construction of this ed to him, that by a subdivision of superunfortunate Coilege of Haileybury, there intendance over each of those classes, there were inany inconveniences; one of them would be a better chance, at each term, of was, that it was built in the middle of a twenty-five young inen, for example, being common, and at a distance from a town, kept in order under the care of one of those so that in its immediate vicinity there were tutors or guardians, than of one hundred no means of amusement within the reach being kept in order by the collective body of the students, in the long winter, and he of the College-council. On the other might add, the long summer evenings. band, he must confess, that ihis would apNow let the Court remember what were pear an invidious alteration ir: the Ceilege the hours of study according to the regu as respected the Professors, and therefore lations. It was not to be expected that could not be allowed by them to be advanyoung men, left to themselves, would sit tageous. But lest, in adverting to this sort down at iwo o'clock in the afternoon, and of proposition, he should appear to be too reld away till ten or twelve o'clock at much encroaching upon the present system niglit, and every night. “ We have all of of the College, he thought he was entitled us," continued the Hon. Director, “ been to say, that, upon principles of the same young men in our time; I am afraid, at kind, their late excellent Director (Mr. least, that that is not the way we have Charles Grant), whose loss they had so passed all our leisure evening hours.” (A much reason to deplore, and to whose laugh.) It was thought and prop in meinory an appropriate tribute had rethe Court of Directors, that some further in- cently been paid, was prepared to enstruction might be taken by the young men courage some such improvements in an after two o'clock from the Professors ; that institution, of which he might be said to the study of natural philosophy, or other have been almost the parent.—(Hear, hear, science, for example, might with great hear !) advantage be taken up by them, and that He (Mr. Pattison) did not know whether thus some part of their afternoons or even he might appeal to the son of that estimable ings might be beneficially employed : and individual for the confirmation of this seeing that, from the arrangements of the statement; but if that gentleman (Mr. R. College, each Professor in the course of a Grant) were present, he could perfectly week devoted so few hours to the students, satisfy the Court upon that matter. Their it certainly was considered that it could worthy Chairman had that day told the be no great hardship to ask them to give a Court that the College was now in a very few more hours to this afternoon instruc- flourishing state; that every thing was tion. But no : this proposition was de- going on well there in regard to disciclared by the Professors to be anti-colle- pline; and that, in point of attainments in giate. (A laugh.) Now he was ready to science of the students, its character had admit, that he had some doubt about the never stood higher.—(Hear, hear!) Here correctness of what had been frequently then he would propose one very simple, stated in reference to this part of the sub but most important consideration : would ject, namely, that not only did the young it be well for the Court to disturb all this men in the College acquire all the know- prosperity and promise ? Might they not ledge that they could be expected to ac live in hope that the evil days had passed quire, but that in some instances their away, and would never again return upon abilities were rather tasked-they were put them ? Certainly his Hon. Friend (Mr. to the stretch. It might be so, but he D. Kinnaird) last year had a better case to must be allowed to think, that if they sat rest upon, when disturbances had but very down a young gentleman to hear a lecture recently taken place in the College; that upon a Monday, brought him to hear was a better case for such a motion as he another on Tuesday, and then let him now brought forward.-(“No, No !” from alone till the Monday or Tuesday in the Mr. Kinnaird.)-Well, then, he would give following week, the individual would have his Hon. Friend the benefit of his case as derived very little advantage from the lec- it stood at present-(hear!)-and if those ture he had listened to six or seven days disturbances had taken place fifteen months before. He (Mr. Pattison) thought that, ago--if that was the way in which the if they were to proceed somewhat diffe. matter was to be put-he (Mr. Pattison) rently, the Company would derive a should hesitate very much to give his supgreater mass of intelligence from this in. port to a motion that must go to destroy stitution than they could derive under the and not to improve. (Hear!) It could present arrangements. (Hear!) But in hardly be a matter of doubt what the conthat Court it certainly was impossible for sequence must be of adopting the sugHon. Gentlemen to anticipate all the re gestion of his Hon. Friend in preference to sults of any system of education. There the present system, In the one case, a was another ground upon which he ob- gentleman anxious to secure for bis son

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an appointment in India might obtain lege Council, subject to the revision of the from the Directors a promise, but on this Visitor. But in these statutes for the sort of condition: a Director would say, government of the College it was no where “ You must send your son to Haileybury, said, that if a Professor should improperly and if he continue to be a very good boy demean himself, as, for instance, by being (a laugh), why, at the end of two years, he proved to have been guilty of any of the may have a writership.” In the other minor vices, it was no where said, nor could case, the Director might say, “If your it be contended, but that the Directors, son will only undertake to pass a public with the sanction of the Board of Control, examination, here is a writership for him would hav as much power to expel them instanter.” Now what parent, between as they would have to expel any other of such an alternative would hesitate at all ? their servants; and even if an extreme Would he not reply, “ Do not expose me case was supposed, as that a Professor to the hazard of two years; do not ask me to might be guilty of gross misconduct, which stake every thing upon my son's good con- should not however have been contemduct throughout a period of two years passe plated by the present statutes, yet there ed in college, but give me the writership was a power reserved by the Act of Parinstanter.”-(Hear!) What then was to liament to the Court of Directors, with become of the institution ? This did appear the assistance of the Board of Controul, to to be, then, very much the same as destroy pass a new law, if it should be necessary. ing the College - not indeed by assault, but In saying this, however, he was only putby sap-(a laugh). All these considera- ting an extreme case : and he thought that tions must be coupled with the view that he should be doing a great and signal inwas to be taken of the question, as to the justice to that excellent body of inen, the extreme inconvenience that might arise Professors, if he were to put it in any from bringing the whole matter before other light, after so many years passed Parliament.-(Hear!) It seemed to him by them in the honourable discharge of abundantly clear, that in the House of their duties in a public and private capaCommons there might be several Hon. city.-(Hear, hear !) He was still disGentlemen who would be good enough to posed to think that the great evil of this imagine that the East-India Company did institution was, that it was a little too col. not know how to manage their own affairs. legiate ; but he was afraid that it could not (Hear, hear ! from Mr. Kinnaird.) He now be altered, and many reasons might presumed that the Hon. Gentleman him. be assigned for this opinion. The colself thought so. Now he could not help legiate system had now existed for many thinking, under all the circumstances, that ages in this kingdom, and the Company a committee chosen from among gentle and the Government of India enjoyed so men behind the bar, was really much more many benefits from many who had gone likely to come to some determination in . out to the East from Haileybury, that, this case of a definite and beneficial nature, though undoubtedly he could not hope that than a committee appointed by the House his Hon. Friend (Mr. D. Kinnaird) would of Commons, and composed of Hon. withdraw his motion, he would yet hope Members, among whom, he might fairly that his Hon. Friend, in the present conpresume, there would be many who would dition of affairs, would see reason “ to let know nothing at all upon the subject.. well alone.” He was really satisfied that (Hear, hear !) He had now to beg par- the adoption of the measure suggested by don of the Court for having occupied so the motion would produce very considerlarge a portion of their time ;-(Hear!) able inconveniences indeed. (Hear, hear!) but the vast importance of the question Colonel Baillie considered it to be his before them would furnish his best apology. duty to submit to the Court his opinion He could assure the Court, upon his own upon the important subject before them ; part, and on the part of his brother Direc. and he would endeavour to do so with that tors, that if hereafter any inconvenience brevity becoming a person unused to adshould arise out of an establishment which dress public assemblies, and conscious of was at present in a condition of decided his inadeqnacy to do so with effect. prosperity, they would at least endeavour (Hear!) The opinion which he now en. to put their shoulders to the wheel, and tertained was decidedly hostile to the prodo their utmost to effect its removal. It position of the Hon. Proprietor (Mr. D. had been said in the course of this discus Kinnaird), though he was bound in cansion, that the Directors bad no sort of dour to acknowledge that he had long held power over the College Professors; but he a different opinion. (Hear, hear !) At could not quite concur with those who an early period of his life, when a member made the assertion: the statute upon of another institution of this kind (the which it seemed to be founded was the College of Fort William in Bengal), he statute in respect to the College Council, thought that a system of instruction, and which provided, that if any one of the adapted to the peculiar purposes of our Professors should misconduct himself, he Indian Government, must be exercised might be expelled by the vote of the Col with a better effect under

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superintendence of the Government by world, before the foundation of public which the students were ultimately to be seminaries of learning. (No, no.) The employed, than under any institution of learning must always exist, in a certain this country. (Hear'). But subsequent degree, before the general want of it is observation and reflection had tended to felt; before measures for its extension can alter that opinion, and to convince him be adopted. (Hear!) But this was no that a portion of the period of tuition and argument against the College originally probation of candidates for the civil service instituted at Fort William, nor against of the Company in India, might be occu the subsequent institution at Haileybury, pied with greater advantage in this coun which were meant and calculated, to er. try, under a collegiate institution like that tend by facilitating the acquirement of of Haileybury, superintended by the Exe useful knowledge, and to ensure the proscutive Body of the Company; who, being pective supply of able and learned servants thus enabled to form an accurate judgment for the administration of the Company's of the comparative qualifications and con- affairs. The College of Haileybury, he duct of the youth whoin they destined for repeated, was to be considered as a boon, employment, and rejecting all such candi not to the youth of England, nor to their dates as, from mental incapacity or moral parents--but to the subjects of the Comdepravity, were disqualified from entering pany in India, and as a test of those quaon so momentous a trust, might consign Jities and acquirements for wbich the civil to their governments abroad the task of service of the Company is the great prize still further improving, if necessary, or or reward : a prize well worthy of the otherwise of immediately employing the hazard, or penalty (as the Hon. Morer had successful candidates for their service. The termed it), which attended, and ought ne. grounds of this latter opinion were, first, cessarily to attend every candidate-aye, the view which he took, differing widely and every parent of a candidate, who was from that of the Hon. Proprietor (Mr. desirous of obtaining such a prize. But Kinnaird), of the original purpose of the the Hon. Mover (Mr. Kinnaird) had institution of Haileybury College; and argued, that this test, for every salutary secondly, his recent observation of its purpose, could be obtained by a pubpractical results. The Hon. Proprietor, lic examination. His own (Col. Baillie's) in the beginning of his address, had de- opinion, was the opposite of the Hon. scribed, and even gratefully acknowledged Mover's, and it was founded on a variety the institution of the College of Hailey of considerations, which he should not bury, as a boon to the candidates for the trespass on the time of the Court by decivil service of India : but he had depre- tailing; more especially as they had been cated and prayed for the repeal of a certain so ably enforced on a former occasion of compulsory clause, which he described as this debate, by a learned and eloquent converting that boon into a penalty, and Friend of his (Mr. R. Grant), whom he rendering the benevolent design of the now saw in his place. That Hon. ProCompany an object of terror and alarm. prietor had expressed his decided opinion Now he (Colonel Baillie) could not con of the superiority of the system of erasider this institution as a boon, either to mination which was practised at the Col. the youth of England or to their parents ; lege of Haileybury, over that of every he viewed it, on the contrary, as a boon to other college in England; and his (Col. the millions of Indian subjects who are Baillie's) experience induced him to concur under the dominion of the Company, and in that opinion with his learned and eloas the pledge of their security and happi- quent Friend. (Hear!) But, if the proness. (Hear, hear, hear!) The real boon posed test were as perfect as he (Col. to our youth, is the civil service of the, Ballie) considered it to be ineffective, Company: a station far surpassing in with a reference to mental acquirements, importance, whatever could be offered to of what avail could it be thought, with them at home. (Hear!) This boon was regard to the equally, if not still more formerly the gift of patrupage, indiscri- important object, of ascertaining the moral minating, and often misapplied; it was character and correct habits of the youth now, by the institution of Haileybury, who were destined for such high situations, restricted to the deserving alone. (Hear!) for duties and trusts so inomentous as those A new era had thus been created in the of the civil service in India : an object; government of our Indian empire, to the attainable alone by a course of observation manifest advantage of the Company, and and experience on the part of competent of its millions of subjects abroad. Far, and impartial judges ? Was the certificate however, be it from him to affirm, contrary of a parent, or guardian, or of the single to his own experience and knowledge, that individual head of any ordinary seminary there were not many learned and able civil in England, not subjected, like that of and military servants of the Company in Haileybury, to the constant superintenIndia, before the institution of either of dence and controul of the Executive the colleges: so there were also in Eng- Body of the Company, to be received as Jand, and in every other nation of the a sufficient securiiy, not only for those

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