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very unprofitably, if he were to attempt to putation of severity, yet no man had in follow him in descanting on those merits reality a more feeling heart than he posand services, which he had so plainly and sessed, and no man felt more acutely so emphatically pointed out: if he were than he did when he was obliged to have even so inclined, he felt himself incompe recourse to severity. He (Sir Charles) tent to the task; but, in truth, such an had opportunities of witnessing Mr. Grant's exertion was entirely unnecessary; how most feeling and benevolent disposition; ever, in seconding the resolution which not in regard to ordinary charitable contri. had been just read from the chair, he butions, but with reference to the distri. should beg leave to offer a very few ob. bution of his patronage : that circumstance servations. It was his lot to be opposed was, he believed, well known and underto Mr. Grant on a very important question, stood the knowledge of the fact was not which had been already alluded to by his confined to him ; he could appeal to Hon. Friend near him. But, be certainly the widows and orphans, who had bene. never rose to oppose that venerable Direc- fited by Mr. Grant's benevolent dispotor on the question adverted to, without sition. He was afraid there were many feeling most sensibly his own inferiority, whe bat moment most severely felt bis and acknowledging the great power and loss ; some he was sure there were to ability of his opponent : such were bis whom Mr. Grant's promise had been sentiments, and he must frankly state pledged. Upon the whole he would say, them. Mr. Grant was a man of whom it that in every point of view, Mr. Grant might justly be said, that the more one was a most excellent man. knew of him the more he admired him. the sentiment, though not the words of his During his (Mr. Grant's) residence in Hon. Friend, he firmly believed him to India, he did not see so much of have been Mr. Grant as he afterwards did; but he

" An honest man-the noblest work of God." had always, both in and out of Parliament, expressed his high admiration of his Mr. Elphinstone said he felt himself talents and eloquence, on every occasion called on to say, that he could not but when he offered himself to the notice of consider this as a very invidious and the House of Commons, or of that Court. injudicious motion. Let them look to It might be observed, that he had an op.

the inconvenience which would portunity, subsequently, of forming a more avoidably be created if this proposition clear idea of him and of his conduct than were carried. If it were adopted, he he originally had. He had had opportu- would ask, how many more motions of nities of conversing with him within the the same nature were they likely to have very walls of that Court; and he must brought before them ?--(Hear!) If their say that, on all occasions, he was most predecessors, who appeared to be wiser in accessible, and most ready to pay attention this respect than those who were favourto every observation he (Sir Charles) had able to the motion, had acted upon the to offer, on questions either of a public or principle now contended for, they should, of a private nature. Though his expecta at the present day, have every church tionis might be disappointed, he certainly within twenty miles of London filled never left Mr. Grant with a dissatisfied with mural monuments, erected to the feeling; he was, without exception, the memory of deceased Directors.--(Hear!) most sincere, candid, downright man he This Company bad existed above a ever met with. He would not utter ex hundred years, and during that period pressions of favourable intentions on any it was only natural to suppose that there subject if he did not really mean them. had been a series of able, intelligent, and If his opinion were favourable to a case,

upright servants ; yet there were he would frankly avow it; and he would, statues – no monuments erected to perat the same time, state those objections petuate the talents and virtues of any of that might arise to it in the course of dis those gentlemen. Their predecessors, he cussion : on such occasions, he always did was afraid, were wiser on this point than more than he promised. No man, he they seemed to be, for their predecessors believed, could say, that Mr. Grant had saw clearly the inconvenience they would disappointed him in any thing which he bring on themselves if they once began had ever promised; he was, it was said, raising, monuments; and, like prudent most rigidly severe in enforcing the due men, they abstained from such an unperformance of all duties; it was, how necessary proceeding. He had sat in the ever, a just degree of severity he exer Court of Directors, by the favour of the cised;- he wished to reward every man Proprietors, for thirty-six years; he had according to his merits, and therefore he in that time seen many able and honourencouraged the zealous and active; but able servants, as well as his deceased those of a contrary disposition found no friend, and he could not consent that favour with him. That was the principle such a distinction should be made in his on which he acted; and, though it called case alone. Let the Court consider down on him, on some occasions, the im whether it was not casting a reflection on


themselves;-whether it was not leaving special service. But where were they to them open to the imputation of having seek for the special service of his honourneglected the merits of many excellent able friend deceased ? He hoped the servants? It had always been considered Hon. Proprietor who brought forward the a very great honour to receive a vote of motion would again turn the subject in thanks from that Court; and that honour his mind; he would then perceive that was never bestowed except for some special an East-India Director never could, in service: but the Hon. mover founded his that capacity, perform special service; proposition on a series of general service, he was but one of a co-equal and conot on any one substantive act. First, he ordinate boly, all directing their efforts to adverted to the favourable opinion which the same end. It was true that some Marquess Cornwallis entertained of Mr. might put their shoulder to the wheel Grant. He was, doubtless, a most ho with greater force than others : but still nourable nobleman; but was his favoura- it was a joint exertion-all were aiding in ble opinion any reason for coming to such giving motion to the machine. (Hear!) a vote as was now called for? They were Now no man, not even the Hon, Protold, that he always spoke of "honest prie:or who had brought forward the moCharles Grant.” Was honesty, then, so tion, could possibly entertain a greater very uncommon a thing, that it was to be regard or esteem for Mr. Grant than he made the foundation of a motion like the did. It was true their opinions differed present?-(Hear!) He believed the de on some questions : but that was no reason signation of “honest” was most justly for withholding from him that honest redue to every member of the Court of spect, which the whole tenor of his life Directors-(Hear!) Indeed, they had a deserved. He could not, however, supright to believe that all men were honest port this motion merely because he until they were convinced of the contrary: esteemed Mr. Grant: private feeling was No ground whatever had been advanced no! a fit basis for such a proceeding as this. in this instance, which should induce them He should oppose the proposition to the to erect a monument. Special services, utmost of his power; because he viewed it and those of the highest order, ought alone as most unwise, inconsiderate, invidious, to command such a mark of distinction. and injudicious. It would, if carried, Let the Court reflect on the principle by give rise to a great deal of trouble and in which they had been heretofore guided in convenience, and would be the means of decreeing this extraordinary honour. By creating much unpleasant discussion in whose statues were they surrounded in that Court. Gentlemen might hereafter, that Court? They saw the statues of if the motion were successful, be placed Lord Clive, of General Lawrence, of Ad in a most painful and invidious situation. miral Pococke: they were appropriately He knew that he ran the risk of being placed in that room. And why? be blamed for expressing those sentiments; cause those whom they represented were but he could look censure boldly in the the very men who had acquired, defended, face, when he felt that he was discharging and consolidated their Indian territories. a conscientious duty. He would not yield There was also the statue of Lord Corn to any man in regard for Mr. Grant—but wallis, whose well-known merits, whose he could not bring himself to vote for this long and honourable services, warranted motion, when he knew that the services of the proud distinction. And last, though others, in no wise inferior to those per. not least, was the statue of Warren Hast. formed by that gentleman, had been sufings, which had been recently placed in fered to pass unnoticed.

At that very that room.

None could deny that the moment he saw sitting in the Court an Company owed this tribute to the me older Director than Mr. Grant was; and mory cf Mr. Hastings. He had been he also observed another, who might alplaced in a situation the most arduous, most be said to have done special service. the most difficult. He had been entrusted Now, if they voted this statue or monuwith power when the Company's best ment to Mr. Grant, they could not, in interests, nay, when their very exis. conscience, refuse the same honour to tence was at stake. He had performed those individuals. services, which, no more than his un Mr. S. Diron." Some time hence, I merited sufferings, could ever be forgot- hope."-(Order ! Order !) ten. He richly deserved the honour which Mr. Elphinstone continued.—He did had been conferred on his memory. Now not wish to part with any of his friendswhere, he would ask, was the comparison for very good reasons. Perhaps he him between the labours of an East-India Di- self might be the first to quit the scene. rector and the exertions of any of these However, so long as he remained, he great men ? Where was the comparison would perform his duty in the best man. to be found? Where could it be drawn? ner he could. For the Hon. Gentleman, He, for his own part, knew not. In the who brought forward the motion he had instances he had quoted, the claim to this a very great respect, but he felt the utmost high honour rested invariably on some repugnance to his proposition, and he

earnestly requested him to drop it. Let produce very great inconvenience (to use him consider the inconvenience which the mildest term) at a future period ?might flow from it hereafter. If he did, (Hear!) If it were, they ought certainly perhaps he would be inclined to give it up; to reject it. if not, the Court ought to reject it, and Mr. Hume said he was glad the Hon. he for one would meet it with his nega Director had preceded him in the debate, tive. The object which the Hon. Mover since he had rendered it unnecessary for had in view, might be effected just as well him to make some of the observations without at all committing the Company. which he had intended to offer to the In the same newspaper which contained Court. He could assure his Hon. Friends the requisition, he saw an advertisement that, in the course of the remarks which from the first lawyers in the country, cal- might fall from him, he was exceedingly ling a meeting to consider of a measure anxious not to use a single expression very similar to that which now engaged derogating from that respect which they their attention. He wished that the friends wished to pay to the character of the late of Mr. Grant had been called together in the Mr. Grant, or which could, in the smallest same manner. -(Hear!) The meeting to degree, hurt the feelings of any individual; which he alluded had been convened to but as a member of that Court, he had a consider of the propriety of erecting a mo much wider range of circumstances to nument to the memory of the late Lord consider, than the gentlemen who brought Erskine-a name which would be dear to forward the motion seemed to be aware Englishmen so long as the love of na of. In the discharge of his duty, he could tional liberty existed in this country. At not overlook matters of general importhat meeting all the friends and admirers tance, for the mere purpose of voting 2 of Lord Erskine were invited to attend, mark of respect to any individual, how. and it was in their power to propose any ever highly he might regard him ; if, in motion they might deem proper. The doing so, he deviated from established country might have been called upon to practice. And here he must say, that his raise a monument in honour of that Noble Hon. Friends bad not given sufficient Lord, but his friends voluntarily imposed weight to that particular point, namely, that duty on themselves. Why did not the what the usual practice had been; a cirgentlemen with whom the present propo cumstance which ought never to be oversition originated, call together the friends looked in great public bodies. It was of Mr. Grant?-(Hear!) Had such a incumbent on that Court, as the Hon. meeting been convened, as good a monu Director had stated, to examine what the ment would have been raised as any that practice was during the last century, on could be voted by the Court. By taking similar occasions. When they turned to that course, they would have done more their records, and found not a single inin honour of Mr. Grant, than by calling stance where an honour of this kind was on that Court for an application of the conferred on a Director, it was the duty of Company's funds: because, although he those who supported the present motion, admitted that the Court was numerously to lay before the Court, in a clear and inand respectably attended, yet he must ob telligible form, the specific grounds that serve that the Proprietors present, who ought to induce the proprietors to trench were called on to decide for the whole upon long-established practice. It was a body, did not constitute a tenth, nay, he well-known maxim of great bodies of this might more correctly say, not a hun. kind, and had been enforced over and over dredth part of this great Company. Would again by gentlemen in that Court, that gentlemen, then, without bringing for they ought not hastily or unadvisedly to ward some special service, without stating innovate when things were going on well. some strong ground that would satisfy the They ought to consider maturely, not only absent Proprietors, call on the present what the immediate effect of the innovation Court to bind the entire Company by a now proposed might be, but they ought also comparatively small number of votes ? to considerit with reference to all subsequent Those who introduced, and who supported motions of a similar nature, for which it the motion, ought to state some special might furnish a precedent. It was equally service, that would satisfy all parties; it beneficial to the interests of the public, and was incumbent on them to do so. He to those of the Company (for he conwould not detain the Court longer. He sidered their interests to be united), that was not, he never had been, a public the duties of every Director should be speaker; if he were, he would have said properly performed. It was to be prea great deal more against the motion than sumed, that they were so performed by all the Hon. Mover had advanced in favour those who were honoured with a seat in of it-much as he had said, and well as he the direction ; when, therefore, an unusual had said it. He now called upon the mark of respect was claimed on behalf of Court to weigh this proposition well-to one of that body, it was fitting that some view it in all its bearings, and then to special reason should be assigned for it. In decide whether it was not calculated to bringing forward a motion of this kind, in

asserting aught about the character of any was now for the Court to consider, since, person such as the late Mr. Grant, for the unfortunately, the subject was introduced purpose of inducing the Court to accede to their notice, whether any and what to the proposition, care ought to be taken distinct grounds could be laid in support not to state more than what the conduct of of this claim; it being always borne in the individual would fully verify. Ile mind, ihat an entire century had passed, thought it was as improper, in a public and no such bonour had been granted point of view, to exaggerate a man's during that time to any Director. He praise, as it was to endeavour by unjust must contend, however, great as the merits censure to detract from his merits. The of Mr. Grant might be (and he believed gentlemen who brought this motion before that gentleman had performed his duty to the Court, attempted to innovate and to the best of his ability, zealously and faith. break through a rule which had been long fully; he would give his friends the observed ; and he would shew that the utmost benefit of that declaration, and Hon. Mover, who wished to establish this they could ask no more), still he must conprecedent, had altogether mistaken the tend, that there was nothing in his case nature of the claims which the late Di. which called for a peculiar distinction. If rector had on that Court. Whenever they conceded this honour to one, would it posthumous honours were bestowed on not stamp all those to whom the like any member of a corporate body or com honour was denied, az inferior, and not munity, if those lionours were granted at worthy of such a mark of respect? That the expense of others ; if the individual was the principle he, in the first instance, selected were lifted above his proper level, wished to impress on the Court ; and he it became an act of injustice. It was not would now proceed to show, that the roerely an act of injustice to the deceased, grounds for this motion were wholly unit was unjust also to the living. Now, if tenable. If they must object to the prohe proved to the Court, that they were position, unless strong grounds were adabout to bestow on the late Mr. Grant vanced in its favour, and if be proved that honours which none of his predecessors, no such grounds existed, then he thought though equal to him in talent and inte the Court ought to reject a motion, which, grity, had ever received; if he shewed that if carried, would form a most dangerous no sufficient grounds were substantiated precedent. He had noted very par.. for so novel a proceeding; then, he thought, ticularly the various grounds on which be had a right to demand of the Court, if his Hon. Friend supported his motion, not the total rejection of the motion, at and he would examine them in detail.least, that they would take a little time to The first was, the personal esteem which consider the subject before they established Lord Cornwallis manifested towards a precedent of this nature. The Hon. Mr. Grant ; surely bis Hon. Friend Director had most properly confined him could not expect, because Mr. Grant was self to certain general remarks, and he well considered and highly valued by trusted they would have all the weight Lord Cornwallis, that they should admit which their importance deserved. He was that circumstance as any ground for sure, that those who reflected on the si. erecting a monument. If that were to tuation in which that Court would be be allowed, he had only to turn over the placed, if the resolution were passed this pages containing the names of those who day; who considered the inconvenience had served them in India, and he could which would arise from the efforts of per point out, not one, but fifty gentlemen, 500s attempting to secure similar honours who had received more high commendafor their friends, according as their influ tion than Mr. Grant ever received there, ence prevailed amongst the Directors ; for the services which they had rendered would at once perceive that it was impolitic both to the Company and the country, and injudicious. The Hon. Director had, whose interests he conceived to be insepaif any thing, under-rated the danger which rable. Not one of those numerous commight be apprehended from the success of mendations bad, however, been brought this motion, which he (Mr. Hume) ear forward, on any occasion, as a reason for nestly entreated them not to sanction. If a erecting a monument to the individual on meeting of proprietors had been previously whom it had been bestowed. The next called, to consider the expediency and point related to the shipping question :propriety of having such a proposition now, his Hon. Friend had altogether brought forward formally in that Court, misrepresented (not, he was sure, in

was often done, they should have tentionally, the proceedings which took escaped those unpleasant feelings, which place with respect to the shipping affairs must be esperienced, on the one hand, by of the Company; and he proves that the individuals whose object might be thwart Court of Directors never thought Mr. ed; and, on the other, by those who were Grant was entitled to any special notice obliged, in the discharge of a public duty, for his conduct on that occasion. The to make remarks and observations which persons who chiefly exerted themselves, they would willingly have avoided. It were particularly pointed out by the votes Asiatic Journ.--No. 97.

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of thanks in that Court; they were spe- attention of the Company was necessarily cially named, while Mr. Grant was not directed to a thorough reform of the shipmentioned; his exertions did not appear ping system ; and he contended, that the to the general body to call for even a vote success of his learned friend's motion was of thanks, much less to deserve a monu the commencement of that reform, on acment. (Hear!) His Hon. Friend ap count of which they were called on to peared to have forgotten the history of the erect a monument to the memory of the reform in the shipping department; he deceased Director. In 1792, Mr. Fyatt seemed to think that Mr. Grant was the moved, and Mr. R. Jackson seconded a person who, in 1794, brought about that resolution, condemnatory of the mode in important and beneficial change, for im which the shipping affairs of the Company portant and beneficial he admitted that it were conducted; and it was surprising, was; but his Hon. Friend would see, by considering the then state of the Court, papers on their table, that, had the altera that it was carried. In 1793, Mr. Dundas, tion taken place when it was first proposed, then President of the Board of Controul, a saving of 10,200,0001. would have been sent down a report to the Court of Dieffected in freight alone, between that rectors, recommending to their considera. period and the year 1790. Now, if those tion a reform in the shipping system of the proceedings took place without the late Company. A resolution was subsequently Mr. Grant's having any thing to do with moved in that Court, setting forth “ that them, his friends certainly had no right to it is expedient for the Court of Direccome forward, and refer to them as a “ lors to engage, in future, as well for the ground for agreeing to the proposed ho “ building as for the hiring of ships by nour : on that head he had no claim what “ public contract." This was lost at that

The shipping concerns of the Com- time; but in a few months afterwards the pany first excited attention in 1773; an same motion was made and carried ; so inquiry took place before a secret com. that, long before Mr. Grant entered the mittee, at the instance of Mr. Dundas, and Court of Directors, the reformed system great abuses were found to exist. In 1781, had been fairly established. On the fourth such was the coinbination and co-operation of May 1793, that resolution was passed, amongst the ship-owners, that the Com and Ur. Grant did not become a Director pany were compelled to give whatever until 1794. He was willing to admit, freight they were pleased to demand, and that Mr. Grant's progress, in obtaining the the attention of Parliament was again direction, was much quicker than was called to the subject. In 1786, an Hon. usually the case; but then it should be Proprietor, Mr. Anthony Brough, who, observed that there was not then so much he believed, was still living, demonstrated intrigue, so much party work, as there was that an immense saving might be made at present. (Hear ! hear!) Parties did in their freightage is the combination were not then unite to keep one man in the resisted, and he offered to supply all the direction and another man out of it. (Hear! shipping they might require, at one-half or haar!) Still, however, he believed that inone-third of the rate they were then paying. dividuals had since come in with as little They might deem the alteration to have trouble as Mr. Grant, therefore this formed commenced from that period. In 1790, no ground for any particular mark of disthe calculation of what might have been tinction. To return, however, to the shipsaved in freight, to which he had alluded, ping question : it was clear that, at the time was laid on their table ; it was the work when it was recently discussed, and of of an Hon. Member, now no more, the course best understood, Mr. Grant was late Sir David Scott; he had directed not considered as entitled to the merit of ltis attention particularly to the subject,

the reform : it would be found, on refeand he obtained a very poor return for his rence to their records, that on the 10th of labours. In 1791, his learned friend, Mr. March 1796, Lord Kinnaird, the father of Randle Jackson, submitted a motion to his Hon. Friend (the Hon. D. Kinnaird), that Court, which was the first effectual who took a warmer interest in their proceedattempt to keep down the demands of the ings than his Hon. Friend (who, be hoped, shipping interest; his learned friend would be more active in future) was acmoved for the printing of all the shipping customed to do, moved the thanks of that transactions of the Company. He suc Court to Mr. John Fyatt, Mr. Randle ceeded in his object, and the papers which Jackson, and Mr. Thomas Henchman, were printed disclosed to the public a “ for their anxious zeal and perseverance, in scene of unparalleled extravagance. He • promoting a plan, which was of so much did not mean to cast any blame on the “ benefit to the interests of the Company." ship-owners; they had a right to retain He had already stated what was done betheir monopoly as long as they could and fore Mr. Grant entered the direction ; and, to make as much of it as possible; but he two years after that event, this resolution of could not avoid censuring the Directors thanks was passed, and yet Mr. Grant was for submitting to it so long. Mr. Randle not mentioned in it; two names only, Jackson having had the papers printed, the those of Mr. Fyatt and Mr. Jackson, were

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