Simcoe? I believe it was gen. Simcoe's regi ment, I know he had been applied to on the subject. You do not remember the year at all? No, I do not. During your residence in Gloucester-place, did you ever make any return of the Income Tax? No, I believe I did not. Were you ever assessed either for your horses, carriages, or men servants? Yes, I was. Then you recollect the number? I used to forget the greater number of them when they were put down, conceiving they had been paid for before through the Duke, or otherwise. (By Mr. Lockhart.) Look at that letter; [the letter to Mr. Donovan, of the 28th Jan.] that letter speaks of delivering some letters to Mr. Wardle, in order to facilitate some negociation? I sent that letter to Mr. Donovan. Did you give these letters to Mr. Wardle, in order to facilitate any negociation? Yes; not the letters that col. Wardle ran away with, but letters of field officers to recommend two or three lieutenants to companies, they were to give more than the regulation, 3 or 400l.; I understood from Mr. Donovan that Greenwood was to have some part, Froome another, himself a share, and me; these young men were to pay, I think, 400 guineas over the regulation, and that it was the last job Greenwood was to give Froome, that it was to complete a very old promise of the D. of Y.; Mr. Donovan told me he must have the recommendation of a member of parliament or a general officer, to cover himself. If you refer to a passage in your letter, it will appear that the letters you allude to were, one in which Mr. Donovan speaks of the Queen, and in the other of two deaneries? Those were the letters col. Wardle took away, and which I told him were in his possession; that letter I think mentions as far as that. [The passage in the Letter was read.] I had not given him those letters, he took them, and what I gave col. Wardle to facilitate was the other three, the lieutenants for the companies, and he has two or three of them now, and gen, Clavering the other; and when I represented one of the young men as Mr. Sumner's nephew or cousin, I believed it, because Mr. Donovan had told me so, and declared it in every way possible. How could the delivery of any letters whatever to Mr. Wardle, facilitate any negociation? I thought that they might, because he told me that he could do it by men that were not in the opposition, because I knew that a man on that side would not do to recommend to the D. of Y. any military man. Who told you so? Colonel Wardle. What sort of negociations did you think the delivery of these letters might facilitate? To get a letter of recommendation for the young men, the same sort of recommendation as gen. Clavering was to give me for Sumner. You have stated, that the Paymastership procured for Elderton was previous to the death of gen. Simcoe; what circumstance makes you say it must have been previous to the death of gen. Are you quite positive that these letters spoken of, are the letters Mr. Wardle ran away with? Yes. (By Sir J. Sebright.) Did the D. of Y. ever tell you at any time, that he had been informed by any person of your having received money by getting appointments in the army? No, no one dare tell him so. (By Mr. Greenough.) Did the D. of Y. ever inform you by what means the commissions you state to have been so irregularly obtained, were made to appear regular in the books of the office? No, he did not state to me that circumstance, only that he would take proper care and have them all right, and the subjects he always thought were proper when they were proposed. GWYLLYM LLOYD WARDLE, esq. attending in his place, made the following State ment: I wish to say, that I am now aware what Mrs. C. means by her negociation: the letters that I before alluded to her having received from Mr. Donovan, and my having examined him upon them in this house, were sent to her by Mr. Donovan, as I understood, for the purpose of her getting them signed by a general officer, or a member of parliament; she stated having sent one of them to gen. Clavering to be signed; the other three or four, I forget which it was, I got from her, she gave them to me; I remember her stating at the time, that if I could get a member of parliament to sign them for her, it would be just what Mr. Donovan wanted; I said my friends were in opposition, and opposition men would not do; I kept the letters ever since, and till this moment never could make out what she meant by the term 'nego 'ciation.' (By the Chancellor of the Exchequer.) Have you any objection to deliver in those letters, from which you examined Mr. Donovan at the table of this house? They are all on the table of the house. Are those letters on the table of the house which Mrs. Clarke wished you to get a member of parliament to sign?-No, I think not. In giving this answer Mr. Wardle was. called to order, by sir G. Hill, in consequence of lord Folkestone's whispering something in the ear of the hon. member. Mr. Whitbread rose and observed with much warmth, that his hon. friend (Mr. Wardle) was perfectly in order, that no irregularity whatever was committed, for it was perfectly consistent with the rule of parliamentary evidence, for one member to make communications to another in course of examination. Lord Folkestone declared, that what he communicated to the hon. member was perfectly innocent, and moreover that his hon. friend had finished his reply before he made the communication. Mr. Whitbread contended, that it was neither indecorous nor inconsistent with parliamentary rules for members to make communication to such as were close to each other. Mr. Canning confessed he had misunderstood the meaning of the hon. member, for he at first did conceive the hon. gent. made an essential difference between a member of parliament in giving his testimony, and an ordinary wituess at the bar; and he was the more satisfied in this case because the noble lord had declared, that what he communicated was perfectly innocent. Mr. Whitbread protested that he never did lay down such preposterous doctrine. (By Mr. Beresford.) The Chancellor of the Exchequer believed it was the general feeling of the committee, that no individual was at liberty to suggest any answer whatsoever to any interAre there any letters on the table of the rogatory that was put in the nature of evi-house which Mrs. Clarke gave to you, to proI thought they had been given in, but if they cure the signature of a member of parliament? are not, I certainly will lay them on the table. dence to another member. He conceived that no member in the committee had any superior advantages in this respect over Have you any objection to lay on the table any witness, who gave evidence at the every letter which you got, either by violence or bar of the house. Surely it would never otherwise, from Mrs. Clarke ?-I have no obbe maintained, that a witness placed injection to lay upon the table the letters in questhat situation, and labouring under any difficulty or embarrassment respecting the answer to be made, ought to receive any assistance. Neither did he apprehend that any member of parliament was entitled to receive any suggestion from another, when he was called upon in his place to give his evidence on any question. Mr. Windham knew of no principle recognized by parliamentary practice, by which a member was restrained from both giving and receiving communications and informations from another during the discussion of any question. On this ground he perfectly justified the conduct of the noble lord, and especially as he afterwards declared his communication to be perfectly innocent; he, therefore, thought the hon. baronet was premature in calling the hon. gent. to order. Mr. Canning was proceeding to animadvert with a considerable degree of warmth on the observations, which an hon. member (Mr. Whitbread), had made relative to the prerogative which a member of parliament had over any other witness giving his evidence, when the right hon. gent. was called to order. Mr. Whitbread repeated and explained his former observations with respect to the right which every member in the house had of communicating information to another. He did say what the right hon. secretary stated, that a member had a right to derive any benefit from the gestion of another when examined in evidence during the pending of a question, but that question being answered, he was no longer restricted. sug been so recommended, and all the letters that Have you any objection to lay on the table every letter which you got, either by violence or otherwise, from Mrs. Clarke? I wish the auswer I have given to be repeated. Are there any letters in your possession, relative to the inquiry before the house, as to from Mrs. Clarke, or which she has given to the D. of Y.'s conduct, which you have taken you, which you object to lay before the house? know of none such, I have no information which with propriety can be laid before this committee, which I would withhold from them. Are the letters alluded to in the letter of Mrs. C. at present on the table of the house? (By Mr. Lockhart.) When did you receive the letters from Mrs. Clarke, which she mentions, in her letter of the 28th Jan. to have been delivered to you? I have no memorandum, I cannot speak to the time. CHARLES GREENWOOD, esq. was called in and examined. (By Mr. Wardle.) Is Mr. Froome now in your office? No. Did not Mr. Froome succeed to the situation of one of your clerks that has lately left you? No. Did not Mr. Froome come to town for the purpose of supplying the place of that clerk? Mr. Froome came to town to settle soine old accounts of mine as treasurer to the Royal Military College, and not at all to take the place of that clerk. Has he settled those accounts, and if so` when did he leave you? He is settling them now. Where does he transact the business? Very near my office at Charing-cross. (By General Loftus.) Are you agent to the 22d regiment of dragoons? No. any Or ever was since it was raised? I think not, but I cannot positively answer to that fact. Do you recollect difference between you and the D. of Y. wherein the Duke applied to you to appoint a paymaster to that regiment? Certainly not. Is it within your power or that of any agent to appoint a paymaster to any regiment? The power rests in the colonel to recommend the Secretary at War, who makes the necessary inquiries as to the securities, and then makes out the appointment for the Commander in Chief to lay before his majesty. In fact the Commander in Chief can have nothing in the world to do with it, more than to lay it before his majesty? I never understood that he had. (By Mr. Wardle.) Do you know Mrs. Clarke? I do not know her by sight. Did you ever write to her? I recollect one note I did write to her. Do you know a Mr. Elderton? I did know him. No disagreement ever happened between you and the D. of Y. respecting appointing Mr. Elderton a paymaster? No, certainly not. Did the D. of Y. ever apply to you to appoint him? Never; the Duke mentioned him to me as a man that would call upon me about a paymaster-ship, and said that I might make inquiries about him, but never recommended him. What was the occasion of that note which you mention having written to Mrs. Clarke? It was in answer to a note she wrote to me, to desire my interference with h. r. h. about a brother, I think he was, of hers; she called him captain Thompson, that had been in the ca valry. Do you recollect the date of that note? It was not long ago; I do not recollect the date at all; I should think within a month or six (By Lord Folkestone.) How did you send that note which you wrote to Mrs. Clarke? I sent it by Mr. Taylor I think. Mr. Taylor the shoemaker? Yes. Are you acquainted with Mrs. Sinclair Sutherland? I knew her some years ago. How many years ago? I should think six or seven years ago; I have seen her since. Have you seen her often since? No. Have you seen her lately? No. How lately have you seen her? I do not think I have seen Mrs. Sinclair these two years. On what occasion did you last see her? Mine was a visit of civility, I believe, I had no particular object in it. Did you call upon her? Yes. Have you kept up your acquaintance with her from the first origin of that acquaintance? I have very little acquaintance with Mrs. Sinclair; I do not suppose I ever saw Mrs. S. a dozen times in my life. What led to that acquaintance? I believe that the first acquaintance I had with Mrs. Sinclair, was from hearing a friend of mine speak of her. Did you become acquainted with her through any intimacy between the D. of Y. and her? I certainly was acquainted with her more from that circumstance. Then you are aware she was intimate with the D. of York? I am aware that the D of Y. knew her; I am not at all aware that the Duke was intimate with her. What was the general character of that lady? [The Witness was directed to withdraw. The Chancellor of the Exchequer objected to this mode of examination, and the witness was ordered to withdraw. A conversation of considerable length took place, whether Mr. Greenwood should be further examined on this point. The Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Beresford and others, contended that he ought Do you recollect, either in that note or by not to be examined as to the general chamessage, stating to Mrs. Clarke, that you were racter of a lady who was not before the sorry she had got acquainted with Mr. Finner-house, and whose credit ought not to be ty? Never. weeks. Did you ever send any message to Mrs. Clarke by Mr. Taylor of Bond-street? Never. How long was Mr. Froome in your office before the first time he and you parted? I really cannot recollect; but he has left my office for, I should suppose, four or five years, I cannot recollect particularly, it was at the time I discovered he was trading in commissions that I discharged him. Is not Mr. Froome on the half-pay? I be lieve he is. Is he a captain on the half-pay? No, I think only a lieutenant. impeached when it was not in question on the present subject. It was on the other hand insisted on by lord Folkestone, Mr. C. Wynn, Mr. Windham and others, that, been attended to by the Duke of York, it as it appeared her recommendation had was proper and necessary the witness should disclose what he knew to be her general character; and it was at length decided, after lord Folkestone had agreed to withdraw his last question, that the witness should-again be called in. [The Witness was again called in and ex amined. (By Lord Folkestone.) Do you know of any connection ever subsisting between the Duke of York and Mrs. Sutherland? I have heard that there was. Has any fact ever come to your knowledge which enables you to state, of your own knowledge, that such a connection ever had existed? | I have heard Mrs. Sinclair herself say so. Did you ever hear Mrs. Sinclair state that she was with child by the D. of Y.? Yes. Did you ever know of a house being hired at Hamburgh for Mrs. Sutherland to lie in? No. Do you know of any measures that were taken to hire a house for that purpose? No. Can you to your own knowledge speak to Mrs. Sinclair having got a troop from the D. of Y. for a friend of her's? Certainly not. Did you ever correspond with her on the subject of a troop that she had applied for? No, I think not, it is so long since; to the best of my knowledge not. Can you speak positively to that fact? I can speak positively to never having had any conversation with the D. of Y. Do you recollect writing to Mrs. Sinclair upon any military matters? I recollect she wrote to ine relative to a son of the late gen. Debbidge, upon the subject of promotion, which I did not apply for; and I think she wrote to me about obtaining leave of absence for him, which, being in the natural course of my business, I think I did obtain for her; but I cannot speak with certainty. State whether of your own knowledge Mrs. Sinclair was given to understand that that officer was promoted through her application? Certainly not. (By Mr. C. Adams.) You have stated, that you sent a note to Mrs. C. by Mr. Taylor; who is Mr. Taylor? A shoemaker, in Bond-street. How happened it that you employed such a messenger? She sent him to me. Had you ever any other communication with Mr. Taylor? I have seen Mr. Taylor several times on other business. Was he appointed to a Paymastership? Upon a vacancy happening in sir Robert Abercrombie's regiment, thinking him a very proper man for the appointment, I wrote to sir R. Abercrombie about him, and be recommended him to the Secretary at War. May I beg leave to correct an answer I have just given, respecting my correspondence with Mr. Taylor: there were two or three questions I thought it necessary to put to him: knowing he had paid some money on the D. of Y.'s account for Mrs. C. I put three questions to him, which he answered satisfactorily; if that is to be called a correspondence, I have had correspondence with him. Were the inquiries which you made satisfactory? They were satisfactory in the first instance, but some time afterwards, on further inquiry, I was by no means satisfied, and I wrote to sir R. Abercrombie to that effect. What inquiries did you make that caused dissatisfaction? I made some inquiries, be Is Mr. Taylor your shoemaker? No. Have you ever had any correspondence by sides a representation I had from Bristol, letter with Mr. Taylor? No. (By Sir J. Sebright.) where Mr. Elderton had lived, of some improper conduct there. What was the consequence of these discoveYou have stated in the early part of your ex-ries you made respecting Mr. Elderton? Reamination, that the Commander in Chief told presenting the same to sir R. Abercrombie, in you that Mr. Elderton would probably call res- order to stop the recommendation. pecting a Paymastership, and requested you to make inquiries; did you make any inquiries? Yes. What was the result of those inquiries, and was he appointed to the Paymastership? The result of those inquiries was, that I put him down in my list as a candidate for a Paymastership. | What was the effect of that communication? It was delayed for a time; afterwards, to the best of my recollection, Mr. Elderton wrote himself, or got some friend to apply to sir R. Abercrombie, and sir R. Abercrombie afterwards recommended him to the Secretary at War. Do you know what those recommendations "Horse-Guards, 28th May 1805." "Gentlemen; Having laid before the Com"mander in Chief your note of the 27th "instant, I am directed to acquaint you in "reply, that h. r. b. cannot accede to the << exchange therein proposed, between ma"jor Knight of the 5 Drag. Guards and Bt. "Lt. Col. Pleydell of the 59th Regt. of "Foot; and lieut. col. Pleydell must re"main with the corps to which he has been "posted. I am, Sir, (Signed) J. W. GORDON." "The inclosures in your Letter are here"with returned." "lieut. col. Pleydell, I fear my motives for "wishing to return to the infantry may "have been misrepresented to h. r. b.—-L "therefore take the liberty of stating them "to you, and request the favour of you to "submit them to the consideration of h. ❝r. h.—I am desirous of returning to the "infantry, with a view to receive back the "difference, to enable me to arrange some "pecuniary concerns which press upon me "at this moment; and in case h. r. h. "should be graciously pleased to acquiesce, "I intend to solicit the further indulgence "of a temporary retirement upon half-pay "for the recovery of my health, which is "much impaired by a service of 20 years "in the West Indies, in Holland, in Egypt, "and elsewhere; and as I do not mean to "solicit h. r. h.'s permission to receive the "difference between full and half-pay, I "flatter myself h. r. h. when my health is "re-established, will consider my past ser❝vices, and allow me to return to a service "which I never can quit for a moment "without the deepest regret.-And in case "h. r. h. should have no person in view to "succeed me in the 5th Dragoon Guards, "I humbly beg leave to submit the name "of brevet lieut. colonel Brook of the "56th regiment, (an old cavalry officer) "who has written to me on the subject. I "have the honour, &c. H. R. KNIGHT.” "To col. Gordon, 66 Major 5th Dragoon Gds. "&c. &c. &c." and Bt. Lt. Colonel." "Horse-Guards, 21st June 1805." "Sir; Having laid before the Commander in "Chief your letter of the 19th instant, I "am directed to acquaint you, that h. r. h. "has no objection to your exchanging to "the Infantry, receiving the difference; and "when an eligible successor can be recom"mended, your request will be taken into "consideration. have, &c. (Signed) J. W. GORDON." "Bt. Lieut. Col. Knight, 5 D. Gds., "35, Maddox-street, Hanover-square." Are you acquainted with major Turner? I was acquainted with him. What was the period of your acquaintance with him? I think it was in the year 1803. When was the last time that you saw him previous to his tendering his resignation? I cannot recollect the precise day, but it was a very short time before he gave it in, he called upon me, and stated his intention of so doing. Did he solicit any other situation? No, I cannot recollect that he did. army serving in Spain? I do not recollect that Did he request to be put upon the staff of the he did; it is very possible that he might, but I do not recollect that he did. Did he state to you the reason for which he intended to resign? Yes, he certainly did. What were those reasons? Major Turner called upon me, and told me, it was his intention to give in his resignation, and retire from |