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Journals be accountable: but since they were, he held that the House were bound to see them carried into esfect. Before he sat down he said he must take notice of a circumstance which he had heard, and which he thought ot sufficient authority to warrant him in putting a question to the right honourable gentleman. It was rumoured, he said, that His Majesty had, with the most paternal attention to the wishes and opinions of that House, proposed a measure for effectually answering their resolutions, by the formation of a new Ministry j he begged the right honourable gentleman to fay whether this was so or not, and what was the re?fon that His Majesty's paternal wishes had been frustrated.

Sir William Sir William Lemon said, that he wished not for any union Lemon. on the principles now held forth. The Minister had made every concession which his personal honour and official situation could permit him to make; and as these two must live or die, or stand and fall together, he was in hopes he would not stoop to any improper negociation. He had never liked the resolutions of the House: he thought them arbitrary, violent, and personal. Many allusions had been made to the unfortunate reign of Charles the First, when the House of Commons had swallowed up all the other branches of the Legislature. But he begged gentlemen would recollect that then the people and their representatives were unanimous. The right honourable gentleman (mt. Fox) opposite to him seemed abundantly sensible that this was not the cafe $ for the public were all in a ferment against the former Ministers, and unanimous for the present. For this reason, instances drawn from that unhappy period were by no means applicable to the present. He was glad the Minister had discovered so much resolution in so good a cause; and he hoped he would persevere, as the national credit depended on that circumstance, more perhaps than the House in general would be willing to allow. Mr. Chan- Mr. Chancellor Pitt was happy to give way to any ceiluiFitt. honourable gentleman, anxious to hear what their sentiments on so important a point were. At the same time he would be thought naturally called upon to say a few words on the very extraordinary speech which had been just delivered by the right honourable gentleman opposite to him. A great part of what had been said was evidently founded in a misconception os what he had stated previous to the debate. He was in the recollection of the House, hut he

would would appeal to all who heard him, whether he had stated what he said as a message from His Majesty, The truth was, that he had not signified any immediate communication with the Throne on the subject; and in order to put the matter out of doubt, he would repeat his words, and leave the House to judge of their accuracy: "That His Majesty had not thought proper to dismiss his Ministers in obedience to the resolutions of the House, and that his Ministers had not resigned." This declaration he stood pledged to make previous to the present discussion, and thought it his duty to state what he had done; but he little apprehended such a use could have been made of it. He had meant it only as an intimation of the present situation of Ministry, that they were precisely in the same predicament that had produced the resolutions which had been submitted to the consideration of His Majesty. The right honourable gentleman, however, had, with his usual eloquence and ingenuity, laboured this as a direct answer from the Throne. He, for his own part, wished as much to bring the question to an issue as the right honourable gentleman affected to dread it. An attempt was made to colour the putting off the supplies, as if it was only the pause of a moment, and that this pause was occasioned by a circumstance which the House had not foreseen, and which put the House, the country, and every thing in quite a new situation. Allowing all this to be true, which he would not allow but for the fake of argument, how could such an explanation of things put a dispute on facts which the least discerning might see through? The supplies were to all intents and purposes stopped. The right honourable gentleman affects to call it postponing, but he trusted the people of this country would fee that the trick attempted to be put upon them and on this House, was too shallow to have effect. It could not, he was well persuaded, succeed against the good sense of the people of this country. But why would not gentlemen come openly and plainly forward? He was sure no man would doubt that he allowed the right to the House of Commons, of withholding the supplies, whenever the circumstances of the cafe would justify such a measure; but he was in hopes no man would fay the present was a crisis of that kind. The right honourable gentleman, conscious of the fact, was very prudently and consistently averse to push the question. It was then only that his Majesty's Ministers could be fully investigated. It was on this ground, and for this end, he would urge the going into that question; and he challenged those on the •other side to meet it fairly, openly, without disguise or subterfuge, like men. For in this discussion, the different motives of the contending parties would be obvious; and he (would fay with the utmost confidence and sincerity, that it was a decision he could urge, for which he was anxious, as he knew from the temper and principles of the House, Jthey would be shy indeed, in the present state of the counttry, to withhold those supplies on which the harmony and aenergy of Government depended, and for which the nartionaj faith was pledged. , .

Many of the right honourable gentleman's arguments had -been addressed personally to him, but with what propriety jgentlemen of feeling and delicacy would judge. There were ^points in personal honour which no man of spirit could for •any object whatever forego; and whatever were his connections or attachments, he hoped never to forfeit feelings,, without which he could not retain consistently any opinion -of himself. He would therefore declare once for all, that he .considered his personal honour deeply and inseparably concerned in the present situation which he held; and that he would not on any account, or by any means, first resign, and then stoop to negociate; that was, leave his place in order to make part of a new Administration. What! would he tell the world by such a step as this, that he was capable of sacrificing any thing to the love of situation? No. It did .not become him to trifle in.this manner either with his own character, or His Majesty's confidence. But at present he held a connection with persons who contaminated him. Would this be any where else believed? And what was the meaning of all those personalities so repeatedly pointed to him, but that he should relinquish one set of men in whom /he trusted, and knew he could trust with safety, to another; 4that he should begin to serve his country by doing a private injury to,those whom he could not but regard with admiration; that he should be obliged for a paltry share in office to sacrifice his personal feelings, and treat those with whom he had been long in habits of intimacy and esteem with a neglect which bordered on perfidy. He was convinced the 'House, the public, those who knew him at least, did not expect him capable of purchasing the honour of office at so dear a rate. These were his ultimate sentiments on a subject about which he had been much pressed, and he hoped they would be considered as final.

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Mr. Chancellor Pitt had now fat down, but as Lord North Mr. Chanhad just role to speak, Mr. Chancellor Pitt begged to becellor heard on a point which had escaped him. It was certainly true, and he was happy to have been reminded of it, that his M ijesty had been induced, out of his paternal regard for his people, to propose another Administration. But the noble Duke to whom application for that purpose had been made, put a very summary period to the business. A personal conference had been desired, which however could not, it seems, take place till Ministers resigned their situations; and it was moreover to he a condition in this formation, that the right honourable gentleman (Mr. Fox) was to have the sole nomination of the new arrangement. He had to regret that His Majesty's endeavours did not meet with more success.

Mr. Fox stated the proposition made to his Grace the Mr. f0Xt Duke of Portland, as hinging entirely on the House of Commons. This was a circumstance which his Grace was not by any means disposed to give up, and therefore every proposition to that purpose would be nugatory, while this material and essential preliminary was not adjusted.

Mr. Bamber Gascoigne here called Mr. Fox to order, and said he rose only to explain, whereas he had gone into an answer.

The Speaker then owned, that he had inadvertantly suffer- The Sps^ ed the right honourable gentleman to encroach on the order ker. of the House from the material information which he was expected to give on a point of so much importance.

Mr. Fox then rose again, and after insisting that he was perfectly in order, resumed the substance or what he said above.

Mr. Powys rose to explain — He said it had been thrown Mr. Po*ti» out by a right honourable gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) that there was an intention to mislead the House by the present amendment. Members had been cautioned against those masks and disguises under which a point of the last importance was covered. He would speak his mind freely on these points. He was the dupe of no man's politics; neither did he believe that there was any intention in any person to mislead or blind the House. He hated every species of sophistry, and spoke always what he meant, and meant what he spoke. Such was the general tenor of his principles and of his conduct. It had been asserted, that there was a wish in some persons to withdraw the considence

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of the public from Ministers — This was never his wish— He had again and again expressed his high veneration for many of them; but amidst all the respect and esteem he entertained for them, he still entertained a higher respect for the Constitution. He would still ask, whether there was not a misunderstanding between a majority of the House and Ministers? This was the point on which the question hinged, and till this was decided by the resignation of Ministers, he thought it would be improper to proceed to an immediate grant of supply. He therefore would move, "that the House adjourn the farther discussion of the question to Friday." , Ld. North. Lord North rose only to put the honourable member in mind, that the words of his motion were nearly, if not altogether, the fame with those which had been originally proposed in the motion os his honourable friend — to this Mr. Powys agreeing,

The Chan- The Chancellor of the Exchequer rose to explain what he S^rofu*e had originally stated to the House — He had not long sat down before he had found his words and sentiments misunderstood and misapplied. He had delivered no opinion from His Majesty; what he had stated was simply this, '* that His Majesty having taken into consideration the resolutions of the House of Commons, had found no reason for dismissing his Ministers, and that they had not resigned." This was what he had stated to the House, and which, by varoius comments and different accommodations, had been mis-stated and misapplied. It had been thrown out that these gracious considerations of His Majesty were the objects of an address to the Throne. He however thought that the best mode of expressing the gratitude of the House for His Majesty's gracious consideration of their resoutions, was by granting the supplies. Ld. North. Lord North rose up to give his sentiments on the present aspect of affairs. He could not consider them but in the most serious light. The contest seemed now to rest precisely on this point, whether the existence of this House was to be continued or not. This question, so interesting in its nature, had been denominated a Parliamentary punctilio. But in what did this punctilio rest? Did it owe its existence to a constitutional collisipn of principles, or to the obstinate pride of the right honourable gentleman now at the head of Administration? He for his own part was rather inclined to attribute this circumstance to some such 2 cause

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