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water, hat are so long making their prepara., Washington and his pupil, sir? the man that tions, sir, that somebody always gets in before ower all the greatness be possessed to his them I disapprove, sir, ot' monopolizing the master? I should as soon think of instituting a whole time and attention of the Society; and comparison between ibe suu aud moon, sirI trust, sir, my motives for making this sugges. between the body that warms, enlightens, and this will not be misunderstood.

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irth, and that infrior orb, which Predeill. Do you make a motion to that moves, sir, as it is compelled, and, shedding no Ppt, sir?

warmth in its beains. is dependent upon the VW'ack. I do, sir; for it appears to me, son for even the cold liglit it dispenses. Sir. I >; that the sin of modern times, sir, is the can hardly treat the comparison seriously; for, prensity to totk, sir, when men have nothing much as I bave admired the romantic heroism {no say, sır; and an unwillingness to leave oti, of the young Frenchiman. it vever before er; when one has done. I am a friend to entered into my head, that he was a riral of cial ribs, sir-and I wish to give every Washington-ihat any American could be 114 an opportunity to exercise bis tongue, willing, for a moment. to allow that a foreigner !! els any disposition to do so, sir.

conld be as dear to him as his own beloved 1. Sermer Mr. President-lise to ask Washington.

is any question before the meeting? Mons. Bonjour. Ma foi, Monsieur le Presi. ! re ident Does any one second the motion dent; the kes-tion is not who de gentilhonnne O Dr. Slack?

shall love, but who is de most grand home. Slou match. (Dravling rery slowly.] I hope de gentilhomme will stick himself to I wil second his ‘motion, Mr. President; | the kes-ti-on. tum five minutes will hardly allow me Mr. Bunker. I bad nearly done, Mr. Presi. imeli hurry over all the ground I had marked dent. I cannot think that any American will walivr myseli ou this occasion. I will second attempt to institute a comparison between the 11:42 100€:on, however, wr. President.

immortal Washington, and any other man that Procent. Gentlemen, it has been moved ever lived. Hain! meze onded, that no gentleman be allowed Mr. Brand yrrine Mr. President ! to speak on the question

President. Mr. Brandywine, gentlemen. Vli. Slack. No, sir; no, sir; I did not move Mr. Brandywine. Sir, the gentlemau has, dict they le not allowed to speak upon the very unceremoniously, assumed ti e very point question, but

in dispute. He has allowed his feelings, I Pie ident It is moved and seconded, that fear, sir, to warp his judgment in this matter. no seutleman be allowed to speak more than He is at liberty, sir, to love Washington

better than any other man He is justified in Vi. Sluck. Upon the question, sir-100 feeling under greater obligation to bim than more than tive minutes upon the question. to any other man; but, sir, in considering the

President. It the geutleman will give me question before us, it is the duty of every oue minute, I will put the question so as to disputant to divest himselt of all partialities suit lim. Gentlemen, if it be your minds that of every sort, however patriotic and amiable 00 member shall be allowed io speak inore they may appear, and dispassionately to vicw atau tive minutes upon the question before the claims of the two great men iu question.

li is true, sir, that Lifayeite was the pipil Mr. Slack. Beg pardon, sir ; not upon the l of Washington; but this is the first time, sir, question before us--which is a question of that I ever heard that a pupil must, necesorder merely--but upon the question proposed sarily, all his life long be interior to liis master for discussion this evening. Excuse me, sir; Washington himself once had a master, sir, but it is best to go straight forward, and not but the probability is that he excelled him get into a tangle, sir, as they do in Congress The gentleman, sir, compares his favorite to

President. Gentlemen who are in favor the sun; be does right to do so, sir; but he of allowing only five minutes to every should recollect that there are more sans than speaker

It is not for the inhabitants of our Nr. Slack. Five minutes to each speaker, syste?), who are warmed and cheered by our sirat one time, sir.

sun, sir, to say that the glcrious suns of other President. Gentlemen, you heard the motion systems are interior, sir, and only moons. of the gentleman as he made it; and if it be The gentleman thinks, sir, that no American your minds to sustain it, you will please to will venture to assert the claim of Lafayetto bolu up your hands. (Ail lands up.] It is a to equal rank wiih Washington; bat, sir, Yute, gentlemen.

an Ainerican, and a countryman of Mr. Bunker. Will the Secretary be good Washington-and I am ashamed to enough to read, again, the subject under acknowledge the claims, the equal claime. discussion this evening?

of Lafayeite, to the love and honage of the Secretary. "Was Washington, or Lafayette, world. The gentleman may think of me as the greater man ?"

he pleases, sir, for this avowal; but, sir, Mr Bunker. Mr. President!

neither his contempt for me, nur his love President. sr. Bunker, gentlemen. for Washington, will prove the position he

Mr. Bunker M. l'resident-I rise, sir, to assumes. I wait. sir, to hear something express my astonishinent, ihnt any body should besides bare assertion, onsupported, as is propose surli a question for the consideration this case, by reason. fact, or argument." of an American Hlet, sir! are we called on Mr. Kin. Mr. President! to institute a comparison between the great Presideith, Mr. Kinz, gentlemen.

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Afr. King. I rejoice, Mr. Presideut, that it rank of colonel, or even general, under the fell to my lot to be upon the Washiugton side king, was superior to that of commander-inof this argument; for, sir. I should have been chief of all the American forces-an appoint sorely puzzled for any thing like an argument ment wbich almost involved the control of the on the other side. To me, sii, the bright whole nation. But, allowing, for the sake of and pre-eminent points of our Washington's argument, that a sacrifice was made, who character are so numerous, that it would be does not see that the sacrifices of Lafayette vain to attempt a display of them all

. I shall, were, in every respect, greater? Did Wash therefore, sir, just mention one of them, to ington risk ascending the scaffold as a rebel? atford gentlemen on the other side an oppor. so did the foreigner who aided and abetted L'inity to concentrate their remarks upon a lhe rebels. Did Washington abandou the ringle point, and thus see the striking contrast doubtful chance of promotion under a pre which the two characters exhibit. Where, judiced monarch ? so did Lafayette abandon sir, in the wide range of history, can you find the certain promotion which awaited him ai

parallel to the disinterestedness of Wasb. the court of a monarch, who had already iuyton? At an early age, he became a singled him out for special favors, Did favorite of the provincial government; and, at Washington risk the loss of all his property the outbreak of the revolution, the way to by joining his countrymen? Lafayette brought preferment lay in his adherence to the mother more with him than Washington ever owneri, country ; but, sir, he did not hesitate in his Did Washington fight to preserve his villes choice-he rejected the royal offers, and property from confiscation ? Lafayette fou_ht embruced a cause which promised him no to save the property of others. "Did Washther elevation than the scaffold. Besides, ington accept a command which separated sis, he was wealthy-and, the moment he him from his wife and family. for a few became a rebel, he forfeited his all, should he hundred miles, and for a part of the year! tail of success. Nay, more, sir, he knew that, so did Lafayette leave a young wife, a belover in accepting the command of the American family, and a devoted country, to be separated, forces, he must become an exile from the wite not for months, but for years; not for bundreds of his bosom and the home of his affection. bat for thousands of miles-with bardly a bope But, sir, he did not hesitate-he left all. Nay, of any communication, even by letter. Did sir, he refused to accept any compensation for Washington refuse compensation for his his own untiring services and sufferings in a services ? Lafayette did more, he poured out seven years' war; but he never forgot to orge bis treasures like water, that he neither loped the claims of his suffering fellow.soldiers. nor cared to gather up again. When informed sir, the event was fortunate, and sanctioned that the Americans were in want of every these sacrifices; but, where else shall we thing, and could not promise him any pay, he look for such an instance of devoted patriotism fitted out a vessel of war, and loaded ber, on and disinterestedness? Surely not, sir, in the his own account. When he arrived, and found conduct of him who left his country, and his regiment naked and destitate, he equipped estate, and family, secure in Europe, and them at his own expense. I think, sir, that only risked his person in the contest-a risk the gentlemen on the other side of the question that was shared by the meanest soldier. I must seek some other foundation than disin shall wait, sir, to hear what our opponents terestedness, on which to build the superior have to say upon this point, before I proceed claims of Wasbington. to other traits of character as brilliant, as Mr. Bull. Mr. President! unique, and as undisputed as this.

President, Mr. Bull, gentlemen, Mr. York. Mr. President!

Mr, Bull. Sir, I did not mean to take any President. Mr. York, gentlemen.

part in this discussion, because any thing I Mr. York. I am unused to debate, Mr. might say against the claims of the French President; but, as I intended to say a few intermediler, might be attributed to the words this evening, I had thought ihe best national prejudice which bas always existed time to do so would be, when the argument between France and my native England. of our opponents was most weak and untenable Mons. Bonjour. Pardon, monsieur! I will, This time has arrived, sir; the arguments of shall, shall, will not myself sit down and hear the gentleman who has just taken his seat are de vil nom intermeddel appliqué to de sacred of this character, and I will ask your attention nom of Lafayette. No, sare, il mon compatriot one moment, while I endçavor to maintain was one intermeddel, den evare fren of man the position, that, in our revolutionary war, is intermeddel. No, sare! I vill not excuse Lafayette showed more disinterestedness than de prejujés of one ennemi mortel. I hate Washington, The gentleman says, sir, that, evare ting dat look like Jean Bull; evare in embracing the cause of the colonies, his ting, sare! toujours, toujours, nevare. hero relinqnished all the honors and emolu. Presi lent. Mr. Buil will see the propriety ments which awaited him as the favorite of of abstaining from the use of offensive epithets. the royal governor. Sir, it is a well known where the national feelings are so sensi. fact, that Washington had been slighted by tive. the British government; he had been made Mr. Bull. I merely meant to remark, sir. subordinate to a foreign general, who bad that it bas always been my opinion, that if rrjected his advice, and sneered at the the Americaus bad rebelled against any other provincial officers. But, sir, admitting that wation than the English, who are the beredi. do such prejudice against the provincials tary enemies of France, it would have been existed, it is by no means certaid, that the long. indeed, sir, before the disinterested

Lafayette would have taken the trouble to historical fact, in answer to the gentleman oross the Atlantic.

just up. It is unfair, sii, to reckon the Mr. Fairside. Mr. President! In reply services of Lafayette from the time of his President. Mr. Fairside, gentlemen. arrival in America, for it is well known, that,

Mr. Fairside. In answer to the gentleman long before this, he had intended to come, but last up, I would remark, sir, that there is had been prevented by his king. Every overy reason to believe, that Lafayette loved stratagem was tried, to elude the vigilance the cause of human liberty for itself alone; of bis friends, and of the officers of governand the gentleman has no reason to suppose, ment; and, while tbese efforts were making, that the chivalric youth would not have gone the American commissioners at Paris thought to Mexico as readily as to the British pro it their duty to inform him, that they had just vinces, had the seeds of liberty first taken received information of the defeat of the root in the dominions of Old Spain. He saw, American forces, and the almost utter hope. sir, that Liberty, in Europe, was prostrated, lessness of their cause. This only made him and the iron foot of Tyranny upon ber neck;more anxious to depart; and, when they he saw, sir, that the struggle must begin ingenuously confessed to him that they had alsewhere, that the tirst blow must be struck no vessel, and no means to furnish one, for by intelligent and determined men. His poble bis passage to America. be purchased and heart caught, instinctively, at the effort of equipped oue himself, and eluded the vigilance our fathers; be kuew that they had been of his government. Call you such a man an cradled on the rock of Plymouth, sir, and eleventh hour man? Sir, I call hins the friend bis propbetic eye saw the influence that in need. But, sir, while on this point, les a successful struggle must exert upon the me ask, where was Washington while oor destiny of man, not only here and in Europe, patriols were bleeding on the plains of Lex: but throughout the world, sir; and he lent his ington, and on the heights of Charlestown? soul, his arm, his wealth, to the holy purpose. On his farm, sir, I believe, waiting to hear He was superior to prejudice, sir, even the froin the north. hereditary prejudice of his country.

Mr. Vernon. (Hastily) I rise, Mr. Presi. Mr. Bull" Still, Mr. President. it might be dent, to say, that it was not the practice of maintained, that Lafayette was not entitled Washington to intrude himself upon the notice to much creilit on the score of disinterestedness, of his countrymen; he uniformly obeyed the since he received from your government full dictates of his innate modesty, and never, pay for all he advanced in its service.

I repeat it, sir, Dever iniruded his services Mr. Fuirside. Allow me, sir, to say, in till they were called for. When the voice reply to this new charge, that when Lafayette of his country called him to command her offered his treasures, or rather brought them, armies, he instantly obeyed her call. he brought them to those unable to repay Mr. Miilimus. This is too bad, Mr. Presi. him; he asked for no sccurity-he never, sir, dent, altogether too bad. What! sir, are we asked for any return. His glorious re appear to be told that the noble souls who, uninvited, ance in this country, after the lapse of half a opposed their bosoms to the bayonets of century, revived the slumbering gratitude of Britain, are to be called intruders? What, those he bad helped to redeem; and they did sir, would have been our fate, if a few such him an act of justice, sir, as honorable to men as Warren. Putnam, Stark, and Prescoti. themselves as unexpected and unasked for by had not intruded themselves into the little him. I think, sir, this grateful expression redoubt on Bimker's Hill, which was so certain of American feeling towards a benefactor, to become their tomb? Intruders! Sir, had can never be fairly construed into an impeach. I been one of that glorious band of intruders, ment of his perfect disinterestedness.

I would not have thanked any monarch in Mr. Vernon. Mr. President!

Christendom for the highest honors in his President. Mr. Vernon, gentlemen gilt; that was bonor enough for one life. Sir,

Mr. Vernon. The opposition, sir, have given the gentleman is welcome to all the merit he os a glowing description of the liberality of claims for the modesty of his hero. I prefer their favorite; but, sir. they have overlooked that spirit which saw that the first blow was the fact that, when Washington joined the the great one on which the hopes of liberty rebels, their cause was desperate. Lafayette and the country depended; and which, without did not come over until the Declaration of asking what inodesty and the courtesies of Independence had raised the provinces to the society required, rushed to the contest, and rank of a nation, and relieved the rebels from set a glorious example of self devotion. the fear of an ignominious death. He does Mr. Steamer. Mr. President ! not recollect, sir, that the Americans bad President. Mr. Steamer, gentlemen. given proofs of skill and desperate bravery, Mr. Steamer. I rise, sir, to express my on which Lafayette could rely for ultimate astonishment at the course of this debate.

Was not the French hero, in this can it be, sir, that we have so long mistaken respect, an eleventh hour man, sir, who the character of Washington, and have transexpected as much honor as those who had ferred to him the honor and glory, which borne the burden and beat of the day? I belonged to bis young friend ? It has hitherto pause for a reply.

been the opivion of our countrymen, that they Mr. Miltimus. Mr. President!

owed the establishment of their liberties and President. Mr. Mitiimus, gentlemen. independence to the cool judgment, unflinching

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country. But no.:, sir, we are told, that we called for a peculiar man, and Washington owe all this to a young man, who was hardly was sent, sir, and tuitilled bis difficult mission mentioned at that trying period, and who to the astonishment of all who knew the bimsuit would have shrunk from the assump-dilliculties he bad to surmount, and the little tion ot'any such bonors. Let us, for a moment, reliance he could place upon others. Besides, look at the relative merit of these beroes, he was a seli tauglit generu!, but Latuyette as warriors of the revolut on. | would not had the full benetit of all his experience detract, sir, ficm the value of Latayette's Muns. Bonjour. Oui, certamemeut, dat is services; but I would ask, sir, what could the juste. Washington was de man for de tine, services of a subordinate officer be, wher and so was Lalayette for de oder time. Dat compared with those of the commander in- is juste, parfaitement juste. chiet? The siege of Boston was raised, the Mr. Bunke,. There is another point of unparalleled retreat from Long Island efficted, view, Mr. President, in which I think the the saving victory of Trenton gained, before peculiar greatness of Washington was dis Lafayette arrived. On occasion did played. I refer to his coolness and finness Latayette command any considerable body in the trying scenes of the revolution. No of troops, or perform any independent exploit. danger, lowever appalling, ever shwok the It was Washington who plamed and executed equanimity of his mind. Wben beset by the finishing stroke at Yorktown; it was he enemies within and without the camp, lie who was consulted hy Congress; it wus bis never betrayed any want of firmness or self name that was the bond of union; it was be possession He was always the same steady, who controlled the suffering and almost rebel cautious, undamıted friend of 1 berty; and

What should we say, sir, if an probably to this quality, more than to any attempt were made to snatch from Wellington other single trait of character, we wwe the the bonors of Winterloo. and place them upon success!ul termination of a contest at tirst 80 the brow of some gallunt commander of a desperate and hopeless. gallant detachment ? Sir, I would do justice Mons. Bonjour. I am ver sorry to oppose to the gallant Frenchman, but I should be 1 de gentilhomme encore, mais, but, be mus unwilling to name him by the side of General allow de same vertu to my compatriot. Did Washington.

not he persevere to come to dis contrée? Did Mons. Bonjour. Ma foi! de gentilhomme be not stay till de war was tin-ee? Did he encore, again, forgets de kestion Dis is not not opposé Louis Seize to bis face, demand who was de grand great man in de revolution de constitution, and den defend de hing agains of '75, but who was de plus grand man all bis de mob of two tree hundreu tousand? Did life forevare. Washington did command de he pot oppose de Jacobin toujours, tomous, at Tittell army of the revolution wis all de skill de risk of his iele, what you call necessaire ; but Lafayette did command de his finger across his Thrvat! Did he not grand armée of France. At de age of terty-refuse to do homage to Napoleon, because hie tree he was at de head of de garde nationelle, have betray de cause of liberté? Did be noi more of four million men, more dan de whole command Napoleou to abdiquer de tone ? toute population of Amérique at de revolution. Did he not reject de overtures of Louis One of tree major-general of France, he deleat Dixhuit ? Did he not vale la France in de de invading armies of de allies at Philippeville, tree days ? and did he not place Louis Philippe Nauberge, Florennes. Ma foi! de whole army on de irone? Did he not condemn him for American not enough to cook one dinnare not keep his word? Was be not icujoura, lor de grand armée of France. I dovo dat toujours homme collert, patriote, ferme, immo Washing on could not command de grand bile? Why, den, you no give bim de same armée, mais, but he never try I no say any honor ? bry! Na foi! c'est injuste celà. ting gains Washington, but I defend my own Mr. Burker. It is growing late, Nir. Presi. compatriot. I 19 speak de English langue, dent; but there is one other point in the mais, but you will pardón mon amour-patrie, character of Washington which seems to me what you call

to raise him above all competition. I refer to President. Patriotism.

his well-regulaied ambition. When at the Nons. Bonjinir. Qui; I tank you ; de gentil. head of an army, with a divided and dest tute men will pardon my patriotism. (Striking his nation at his feet. instead of imitating the bosim sererol times ]

examples of Cæsar and Napoleon, be meekly Mr. Steamer. It may be allowed, Mr. Presi. laid down bis power, and retired to liis farm. dent, that Lafayette was called to command When called, by the unanimous voice of the larger armies than ever were raised in nation, to preside over its councils, he directed America; but, sir, it may admit of question, them all for the public good. He knew no whether it did not require more skill 10 selfish feelings, he favored no party, le sought manage the smaller armies of our revolution, for ro spoils, be laid no plans for permanent destitute, as they were, of every thing, and power, he left the care of a successor to the opposed, as they were, to the veteran troops people; and when, as presiderit, he might of Englawd, than to manage the larger armies have continued to hold the supreme power, he which were collected to repel the invaders of again gave it back uustained, and retired to France. I have seen the commander of a private life. I search in vain, sir for a similar frigate unable to manage a small vesse! when instance of moderation in the history of our the navigation was dangerous, and indebied race; and if we must concede that Lafayette for his life and the safety of the verrel to the comes up to him in some other respects, i skipper of a fishing boat. The times, sir, trust our opponents will allow, that, in this

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goulike quality, Washington stands alone, y confidence in his overruling providence, an alone and unapproached

walterable conviction, that the cause of trut., Mr. York. I should be happy to oblige the and justice must finally triumph. I do not gentleman, but I must contend, that, in this say, sir, that Lafayette was swaved by interier respect also, the pupil bas equalled his motives; but I think it beyond controver->

He might have obtained high rank that this religious feeling formed the basis in this his adopted country, but he resigned of oor Washington's character, and gave i ell, and went to his own oppressed land. sublimity to it, which, if Lafayette possessen. When Louis XVI. was driven from Paris, the circumstances of his lite never su brily Lafayette was at the head of the national developed. Such is my respect, my lore, sui, guards, and held the destiny of France; but for both of the great names before us, that i in the name of four million soldiers, he took very reluctantly see them placed in opposition, the oath to the constitution. Having organized even for a friendly discussion. I trust bona this enormous body of troops, he refused to ever, that the present review of their services command them, and retired to his farm. will only serve to increase our gratitude Wheu afterwards marshal of France, the them, and to Him who raised them up for our country was torn by infamous factions, but he political salvation. would not make use of military coercion. He President. Gentlemen, the hour of adjour. resigned, and in his ciril capacity opposed ment has arrived; and, much as I rezrit the the Jacobins. When Napoleon was proposed necessity of terminating this interesting debate, as consul for life, be voted against him, and the constitution imperiously requires ibat the retired to private life When the Bourbons discussion should be arrested. I intended, were restored, and courted him, he remained gentlemen, to bave thrown my mite into the at La Grange. He refused to see Napoleon, great treasury of Washington's praise', but who had come to offer him rank and power. the remarks of the reverend gentleman who He even refused to be king, at the late addressed you last, are so fair a summary on revolution, and recommended Louis Philippe; the debate, that I forego my intention with and when that monarch failed to keep his less reluctance Are you ready for the question word, Lafayette rebuked him for it,' and of adjournment? retired to his estates. I do not say that this Mr. Slack. I move, sir, that, before the self-denial and moderation surpass that of meeting be adjourned, the sense of the Washington; but, as the offers were more meeting be taken upon the question. brilliant, their rejection must certainly give Mons. Bonjour. I will be de gentilman's Lafayette a claim to be considered equal, in second. in this respect, even to Washington.

President. If it be your minds, gentlemen, Monx. Bonjour. Egal, éval; certainement that the opinion of this meeting upon the éral. I love Washington, but I am de com subject of debaie be now expressed in the patriot of Lafayette, and voila le tri-color usual way, you will please to make it mani. Ipanting to his ribbon) that I wear as the fest.

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President. It is a vote, gentlemen, Such Mr. Slore match. Mr. President, I am half of you, and of our respected audievce, as are inclined to think, sir, that we are no bearer of opinion that Lafayette was, on the whole, coming to a decision now. than we were at a greater man than Washington, will pleasca the commencement of this debate. I think to siguify it by holding up your hands. it has been satisfactorily proved, that both [Mons. Bonjour stands up alone, and says.) Warbington and Lafayette were great men. Mons. Bonjour. Je le crois, Monsieur lo Yet it cannot be questioned, I think, that President, je le crois, je le crois! Vive le Lafayette owed much of his greatuess to grand Lalayette! Washington; for the familiar intercourse of President. Those who are of opinion that so young

wills such a mind as Wash. Washington was, on the whole, the greater inzion's, must have assimilated the young man, will please to signify it. mind to its matured exemplar. We may [411 hands up, and some cry out, All up! safely grant to Latayetie an equal share of

All up!) disinterestedness, of military skill, of firmness, Mr. Bunker. I move you, sir, that we and well-restrained ambition, and yet we may give three cheers to the united memories of fairly consider Washington the greater man. the great Lafayette and the great Washing. For, sir, the fact exists, that Washington, ton. without a model, made binself what he Mons. Bonjour. Ma foi! I shall tree cheer became; but it will ever remain to be proved, bote de grands hommes wid hall my art. that Lafayette, had he been in Washington's Vive le grand Washington! vive le grand place, would have set such a godlike example. Lafayette ! [Then all gire three cheers: One point, however, in the conracter of Mr. Slack. I now move, sir, that this Washington, remains untouched; and I will meeting be adjouri cd. allude to it, not to provoke further discussion, Mr. King. I second the motion. but because I think the character, admirable President. If it be your minds now to as it has been made to appear, inust be imper. adjouru to the time and place appointed in fect without this crowning trait. I allude to the constitution, you will pl ase to signify it. the moral sublimity, or, if you prefer, the

(All up.) religious bearing of his character. There President. (Looking at the audience.) I then seemed to be, in all his conduct, a deep declare this meeting to be adjourned. feeling of accountability to God, an unshaken

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