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* From the experience I have had of ed in express words that he preferred the disposition of the house of com- , emancipation with the veto to our mons to be just and liberal towards Ire
present situation. Lord Grenville's land, I am convinced, that if the lead. letter, though not directed to the of all the several circumstances which body, met a prompt reply. The veta are within their reach, for advancing was instantly and contemptuously their own cause, the present applica- rejected, as the price of their uns tion to parliament will be productive doubted rights; but what was to of the long sought for measure of eman- become of Mr Grattan's letter ? cipation. For this reason I hope the Was it to remain unanswered ?-If committee, and those for whom they it did remain unanswered, the proimmediately act, will not be offended with me, if, instead of at once comply.
verb would apply that “ silence ing with their wishes, by moving upon gives consent ;", but the consent the general merits of the petition, I would not rest upon that ground take the opportunity which their letter alone, for Mr. Grattan would be affords me of recommending them to bound to think, and, therefore, war. employ the interval which must neces- ranted to say this: The catholics sarily elapse, (in consequence of the ap resolved to hold an aggregate meet. proaching assizes, and the Easter re- ing--they wrote to know my senti, cess) before a discussion upon tition taking place, in continuing their ments with respect to the veto-I endeavours to establish themselves by replied, and gave
decided the removal of a! dissension in the opinion in favour of that measure good will and affections of those to whom what was the consequence--the mo: it belongs to determine whether they ment they got my letter, they ac, and the whole roman catholic popula- quiesed in my advice--they adjourntion of the united kingdom, are to remain oppressed by grievous exclusions,
ed the aggregate meeting--they se. or to be admitted into the full enjoy párated they dissolved, lest any ment of the British constitution.-i busy, agitators should revive the ophave the honour to be, your obedient position to the veto. This is what
HENRY PARNELL: Mr. Grattan would have a right to To Sir Thomas Esmorde, Bart." think and to say —this is what your
The letters having been read, Mt. conduct would prove to him, and to Mahon and several other gentlemen' the people of England. Are you, were for putting off the aggregate really for the veto --you certainly meeting until further notice, as they are not. There is, therefore, but did not see there was any business one course to be pursued - reply to to be done at such meeting.
Mr. Grattan's letter, from the agMr. O'Connell said he thought gregate meeting-tell him there, rehe could convidce the committee spectfully but decidedly, that you that it would be unwise, nay culpa. | never will consent to the veto - that ble, to adjourn the meeting under you infinitely prefer your present the present circumstances. He in- degradation to any relief accompatreated one moment's patience to nied by the veto ; if you are silent hear one single fact, and one single you are ruined. reasoning on that fact; it was this : Mr. Mahon said, he had not seen there was now, for the first time, an the matter in that point of view, and arowal of the veto, directly and of- acknowledged that Mr. O'Connell's ficially communicated to the catho- arguments had changed his opinion; lic body. In Lord Grenville's letter and he felt that to leave Mr. Grata it had come circuitously, but here tops letter unanswered would be to was a letter from Mr. Grattan to accede to its terms. their chairman, which letter declar: The aggregate meeting was accord.
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ingly ordered to be advertised, and guard their venerable religion from the next day, the committee baving the contagion of corruption. About met, Mr. O'Connell submitted seve- one o'clock, Sir Thomas Esmonde, tal resolutions, which he thought baronet, was called to the chair. proper to be proposed for the adop- Mr. O'Connell then moved the tion of the meeting, to which the following resolution : committee unanimously agreed.
“Resolved, that Edward Hay, esq. be Mr O'Connell then adverted to particularly requested to continue his the letter which was received from catholics of Ireland.”
invaluable services as secretary to the the Rev. Mr. Hayes, from Rome.
Mr. Dowell seconded this motion, He declared he did not intend to which was passed unanimously. take any notice whatever of that
Mr. Hay then rose and read the letter in any observation he would requisition convening the late meet, hake at the aggregate meeting. He ing at Townsend-street chapel, and pledged himself he would not give the resolutions adopted by that meethis sanction to its being introduced, ing-1st. Thanking Mr. Hay for bis as there was such a diversity of O exertions in promoting unanimity : pinion upon it. ' He would-discoun. 2nd. Appointing a committee for the tenance, in every possible way, its purpose of conciliation; and, 3rd. being touched upon : but if, contra-Determining that an aggregate meet1y to his wish, it should be intro- ing should be called to receive the duced, in that event he would not report of that committee. pledge himself not to deliver his
Mr. Mahon said, that in the absentiments.
sence of the gentlemen of the sub- Dr. Burke said, the letter created committee, he would undertake to more sensation in that city than any report to the m ting the exertions thing that had occurred within his which had been made to banish disfecollection. He said he was con
sensions from amongst the catholie nected with three or four public in- body, to unite its members, and, if stitutions, and attended them since possible, procure their co-operation that letter got publicity, where he in the common pursuit of catholic heard every person connected with emancipation. The conciliating comthem expressed surprise at it; and, mittee had left nothing in their power having met some of the members of undone to effect the great object for those institutions this day, their which they had been nomiaated; and, minds were greatly relieved by his though he was sorry to be obliged to informing them, that the committee state, that their efforts had not been had come yesterday to a determina- crowned with as complete and ample tion, that it should not be noticed at
success as the catholic people dethe aggregate meeting. -Adjourned sired, he felt. himself justified in de
THE AGGREGATE MEETING. claring, that considerable benefit had On Thursday, the 6th instant, one resulted from their labours. He of the most numerous and respect- \hen requested Mr. Hay to read the able assemblies of the catholics ever circular letter, with which the comwitnessed was held in Clarendon-mittee had commenced the perforinstreet chapel, Dublin, That exten- ance of their duties. sive building was literally crowded Mr. Hay accordingly read the leta
excess with an anxious auditory, ter, and stated that about one hun. who, in this crisis of the catholic dred copies of it had been circulated, cause, pressed forward to deliberate and fourteen letters in reply been reon the measures best calculated to ceived. He had spoken to several forward their civil liberties, and to of the gentlemen to whom the cir
cular had been sent, but who had “ Resolved, That we should not re: not returned answers, and they had ceive as a boon any portion of civil li, informed him that they never would berty, accompanied by that which the bave signed the Trimbleston peti- have condemned as essentially injurious,
catholic prelates and people of Ireland tion,
probably went the length of conceding the gion, and we do solemnly declare, that veto. Indeed, some individuals had we infinitely prefer our present situation added, that they would as soon have in the state, to any emancipation which put their right hands into the fire, as
may be directly, or indirectly, coupled
with the veto. make use of them to sign a consent
“ Resolved, That the concurrence of to that measure. From this circuin- all classes of catholics, in the measure stance, as well as the general infor- of domestic nomination, ought to pres mation which Mr. Hay had collected vail unanimously amongst ourselves, upon the subject, he felt hintself war- and to obviate the alarms, however une ranted in concluding, that the num. 'founded, of the enemies of our emanci. ber of vetoists was now, indeed, ex- pation. tremely limited, and that the mostlutions be communicated by our chair
“ Resolved, That the foregoing reson solid advantages had resulted to the
man to the Earl of Donoughmore, to catholic cause from the forination Sir Henry Parnell, hart. and the right of the conciliating cominittee, and hon. Henry Grattán; and that we do from the zeal and ability wiib which most earnestly solicit them, individually, they had discharged their duties. to oppose any measure in parliament,
inconsistent with these our inalterable Mr. Taylor then proposed the fol- sentiments. lowing resolutions :
« Resolved, That these resolutions be “Resolved, that we duly appreciate respectfully communicated to all our the value of unanimity amongst the friends in both houses of parliament. catholics, and approve of the measures
Mr. Mahon seconded these resolately resorted 10, in order to produce lutions, which passed unanimously, that desirable result. But we cannot and, after some minor business, the recognize any basis for such unanimity, meeting broke up. save such as shall exclude any species IMPORTANT CORRESPONDENCE. of vetoistical arrangement whatever. Conformably to one of the resolu
“Resolved, that the people of Ireland in former times sustained the loss tions adopted at the above aggregate not only of civil liberty, but of their meeting, Sir Thomas Esmonde ad. properties, and many of them their lives dressed letters to Lord Donoughmore, rather than relinquish the faith and Sir Henry Parnell, and Mr. Grattan, discipline of the ancient catholic church copies of which we subjoin, togeof Ireland; and that we, their descend- ther with the answers of those disants, are equally determined to ad. here thereto, notwithstanding any
tinguished characters. If we feel poral disadvantages, penalties, pains, or
indignant at the cold and vapid rę. privations.
ply of Mr. Grattan, we are cheered “Resolved, that the catholic prelates and delighted with the declarations of Ireland, assembled in solemn synod, of the other two illustrious statesdid unanimously enter into the follow men, but more especially with the ing resolution :--That it is our decided | firm and resolute condemnation of and conscientious conviction, that any vetoism by the noble lord. Were it power granted to the crown of Great Britain, of interfering directly or indi. in our power, every word contained rectly, in the appointment of bishops in Lord Donoughmore's answer for the Roman catholic church of Ire should be printed in letters of gold ; land, must essentially injure, and may to mark, however, our gratitude eventually subvert, the Roman catholic and admiration of this nobleman's religion in this country,"
constitutional sentiments, we have
inserted them in an extra-sized type,
“. Tinnehinch, 14th March, 1817. and we do most fervently and ear
“SIR,-) was favoured with your let nestly recommend to the clerical and ter, and with lhe resolutions it containlaical favourers of vetoism in the ca
ed. I beg leave to acknowledge the
receipt of them. I am extremely Aattertholic body, to study and reflect oned by the opinion you entertain of me, the just and conclusive objections to and the very kind manner in which you temporal influence in spiritual af- have expressed it. I beg to return you fairs, so explicitly yet temperately de- my particular thanks. I remain, sir, fined by this long-tried, honest and with high respect, your faithful hum.
HENRY GRATTAN."! consistent protestant advocate for the rights of his catholic country
“ 4, Capel-street, 8th March, дер,
“ MY LORD,- I have the honour to “ 4, Capel-street, 8th March.
erclose the resolutions, adopted at the “SIR, I have the honour to inclose meeting of the catholics of Ireland, you the resolutions of the catholics of held on the 61h instant. Ireland, determined on at their aggre- " It is with peculiar gratification that gate meeting, held on the 6th inst.
I undertake this communication to your “ The catholics of Ireland know and lordship, as your coincidence of opinion appreciate your exertions, both in their with the tenor of these resolutions, and cause in particular, and in the cause of wishes of the catholic people and cler. their country in general; they, with
gy of Ireland, command their utmost gratitude remember you as the great
gratitude. advocate of their present political liber. The enlightened view your lordship ty; and, with the rest of their country; has taken of domestic nomination, men, remember the period of 1782, and which, whilst it quiets all alarm respectrevere you as the successful asserter of ing the danger of foreign influence, their country's rights.
will, I trust, be deemed to unite a per: “ Impressed, therefore, with the deep: fectly constitutional system of civil and est gratitude for these many services, I religious liberty. beg leave most respectfully to submit "I have the honour to be, my lord, to you the dread the Irish catholic peo with true esteem and respect, your lordple entertain of the veto, and their de- ship’s obedient servant, cided preference to remain as they are,
“ Thomas ESMONDE." to obtain their emancipation, if connected with this measure. It is nei
Knocklofty, 12th March, 1817. ther passion nor prejudice which fixes them to this opinion, but the conscien
“ SIR,“On the subject of that țious conviction, that it might ultimate resolution, in which as the organ ly injure the religion they profess, with of that great body of my cathoout giving'any additional security to lic countrymen, you desire the the state, against influence which domestic nomination is so 'well calculated
concurrence and support of their amply to effect. Such being their de parliamentary advocates, my ancided sentiments, they fondly trust to swer is easy and explicit. No have the good fortune of your power consideralion shall ever induce ful advocacy, and that opinion arising me to purchase for them civil from principle may be respected, particularly by you, sir, whose long and privileges, by the concession of tried services in their cause, and tha!
a veto to the ministers of the of their country, (pardon me the repe- crown. tition,) prompt all to place every confi “ To remove every possible apdence in a name so interwoven with
the score of the best interests of your country. “ I have the honour to be, sir,
that silly and fantastic sophism “With great respect and esteem,
of foreign influence, to which “ Your obedient humble servant, expiring bigotry delights to cling,
" THOMAS ESMONDE." I have so often and so earnestly,
in my place in parliament, and port of which the state contsielsewhere, endeavoured to en- buted nothing. They will not, force the necessity of restoring however, make a less favourable the second order of the catholic estimate, as I hope and trust, of clergy, to their ancient and un- the zeal of their advocate, in the doubted rights, that I have no- cause which they have thus conthing to add, but to express my fined to him, because he will not perfect concurrence with those condescend to entertain any unsentiments, which you have done seemly compromise, or barter, me the honour of communicating on their behalf nor submit the to me, on that important part of most important situalions of the question.
Roman catholic church to the li, " To the veto I have an un- censer of the court, whoever he conquerable repugnance, as en- may hapen to be in this provintirely uncalled for, and, there. cial government. fore, an unjustifiable innovalion ; acknowledgment for the kind and because I am sure that it ness of your expressions towards would work ill, and introduce myself, court intrigue into the sanctuary “I have the honour to be, sir, of that church, from which it has “Your faithful humble servant, been as yet excluded. I would
66 DONOUGHMORE.” resist it also on another account, because I am fully persuaded
“ Dublin, March 8, 1817. that by making them, on whom the resolutions adopted by the meeting
SIR,- I have the honour to enclose it would be inflicted, less pure of the catholics of Ireland, on the 6th and uninfluenced in the selec- instant. tion of their own moral and re- 1* Permit me, sir, respectfully to add to ligious instructors, it would not the sentiments expressed in those resolube calculated on that account to lic people and clergy of Ireland, respect
tions,that the determination of the cathoimprove them much in the rela-ling any species of vetvistical arrangetions in which they stand, as ment, is such, as precludes the slightsubjects to the protestant state. est hope of any theoretical speculation si Of that portion of your com
of reconciling the people to a measure munion, so well entitled, on every clergy, which must injure, and might
that would practically degrade their account, to the highest conside- eventually, subvert the catholic reliration and respect, who thought gion in this country. While they, it their duty to approach parlia- therefore, take every opportunity to exment, during the last session, by the subject of the veto, they are the a petition separate and distinct more anxious to declare their desire for from that of their own general domestic nomination, a measure which body, and who did me the honour they conceive to be such as must preof placing that petition in my even in the minds of the most timo
clude any alarm of foreigo influence, hands, there are, I am well aware, rous, and best calculated to secure the some who do not view with the support of all friends to civil and reli same apprehensions, which I gious liberty. have avowed, the projected in
I have the honour to be, sir, with terposition of the ministers of the every sentiment of respect and esteem,
your most obedient humble servant, crown, in those ecclesiastical ar
« THOMAS ESMONDE." rangements, towards the sup-1" To Sir Henry Parnell, &c. &c. 86,95