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In truth, the regency of Albany was very AN OLD NEWSPAPER: A ROYAL MARRIAGE much after the fashion of a later period, when,
CUSTOM: HABERDASHER. as Wordsworth says — (this was the simple plan,
In a recent issue of the Peterborough Advertiser That those should take who had the power, was an article containing many extracts from an And those should keep who can."
early number of The Stamford Mercury, one of Acting on this principle, Albany's son, the Earl the oldest of the provincial newspapers. Some of of Buchan, kept the earldom of Ross until he was
these extracts possess more than local interest, slain at the battle of Verneuil in France, 1424; and may, perhaps, be allowed a niche in “N.&Q." when James 1.-who, in pursuance of his resolu- The paper is of the date March, 1733-4tion to humble the magnates of Scotland, was " and the Foreign Affairs' posts, show us that Russia far from scrupulous-seized the earldom as next and Poland were at war, as were Germany and France. male under the nun's resignation. Coming north, The latter is curiously enough described as having a in 1427, the king induced Alexander, the son of then, as of late, Great Britain offers her intervention to Donald, and his mother, the ejected Countess of
preserve peace. In such way does History repeat Ross, and several Highland chieftains, to place itself.' The great event at home was a royal wedding. themselves in his power. He confined the countess The Irish, or at least the Peers, had • a grievance,' for not in prison, dismissed her son, and put many of the having places assigned them equal to the English Peers, chieftains to death.
they resolved not to attend the wedding, and to keep
their wives away. This must have been dreadful for the Alexander took his revenge for the incarcera- ladies. George II. occupied the throne, and the wedding, tion of his mother and death of his adherents, by that of the Princess Royal to the Prince of Orange, came burning Inverness ; but James, in 1429, effectually off notwithstanding the disgust of the Irish Peers. There forced the earl to submission, by routing his is a long description of the doings at the wedding, one
of the formalities sounding curiously to the present army, composed of Islanders and Ross-shire men. Donald of the Isles is stated, in the genealogical
generation. The scribe says: account of the clan or family of Macdonald, to in the great State Ball-Room ; their Majesties were
“ About Twelve the Royal Family supp'd in publick have died in France in the year 1427; and the placed at the Upper End of the Table under a Canopy; countess had, in all probability, predeceased him, on the Right hand sat the Prince of Wales, the Duke, as Alexander took the title of earl about that and the Prince of Orange, and on the Left the Princess period.
of Orange, and the Princesses, Amelia, Caroline, and In 1431, Alexander obtained a pardon from Bride and Bridegroom retir'd, and were afterwards
Mary: the Countess of Hertford carv'd. About two the the crown, and his earldom was restored to him. by the Nobility, &c., sitting up in their Bed-Chamber in He died in 1448 or 1449, according to the genea rich Undresses. The Counterpane to the Bed was Lace logical account of the family, * leaving three sons : of an exceeding great Value.” John, Hugh, and Celestine. John retained the “ The fashions at Court on the occasion were these : earldom until forfeited in 1475, when it was perpetually annexed to the crown.
In 1476 he was
“ The Ladies mostly had fine laced Heads, dress'd
English ; their Hair curl'd down on the Sides, powder'd restored to a small part of his lands. “From the bebind and before; with treble Ruffles, one tack'd up to ruins of his family that of Mackenzie sprung, now
their Shifts in quil'd Pleats and two hanging down ; the one of the most powerful clans in the Eastern newest fashion'd Silks were Paduasoys, with large Flowers Highlands,” 80 says the genealogist of the of Tulips, Pionies, Emmonies, Carnations, &c., in their
proper Colours, some wove in the silk and some emfamily.
broider'd." The case of Ross has a parallel in that of Mar;
“ The assizes are on, and at Northampton one man where a like injustice was perpetrated, by the
was cast for breaking open a house, but respited before crown taking advantage of a resignation by a the judge left the town.' Parliament was engaged in life-renter in favour of a bastard of the Albany discussing Triennial Parliaments, and the question was breed; who, by a series of extraordinary outrages, negatived by 247 against 184." possessed himself of the person and estates of The court costume has been mentioned; but Isobel Countess of Mar, and then endeavoured to here is the costume of a lady who had broken out put the earldom past the heir of line, the legiti- of the House of Correction at Peterborough, and mate successor - an injustice that was not re
for whose recovery the sum of half-a-guinea was medied until more than a century afterwards, offered. The date is March 19, 1733-4 : when Queen Mary, moved by the gross “ in
“ Note.-The said Sarah Smith is a thickish Person, of justice” of her predecessor, placed the heir of line
a middle Stature, with a darkish Complection, black Eyein the precise place of his ancestress. J. M.
Brows somewhat arch'd, with Pimples appearing in her
Face : had on, when she broke out, Irons of [sic] both Privately printed, Edinburgh, 1819, p. 66.
Legs and Taminy Gown strip'd with Green."
A Mr. Taylor advertises himself as “Haberdasher of Hats”: thus giving a peculiar meaning to a singular word, whose origin has afforded
much discussion in these pages; and, in the fol- who was his uncle-in fine, all the glorious affairs of our lowing paragraph, we find an old use of a proverb old German confederation, in which he has himself taken that is yet vigorous:
so lively a part, and for which he has risked his crown
and sceptre? Is your empire of yesterday, then, so solidly * We hear from Thorney Fenn, in the Isle of Ely, that established that you have nothing to fear for it in the Mr. Jeremiah Ris of that Place, lately sent up a score of future vicissitudes of human destiny? Assuredly, my Hogs to London, which he sold there for 20 Pounds, nature brings me to the peaceable contemplation of affairs, which Money he put in the present Lottery, in which he but I cannot see withont irritation that impossibilities has already had a Prize of a thousand Pounds. Of this are required from men. The Duke of Weimar maintains Gentleman it may rery properly le said, He brought his at his own cost the Prussian officers out of pay, advances Ilogs to a fine Market.”
4,000 thalers to Blücher after the defeat of Lübeck, and CUTHBERT BEDE. you call this a conspiracy! and you make it a crime!
Suppose that to-day or to-morrow a disaster should reach
your grand army, what merit would it not be, in the GOETHE'S SENSIBILITY.
eyes of the emperor, in the general or field-marshal who
should act in like circumstances as our sovereign has Goethe is usually represented as unimpassioned. acted ? I say, the grand duke does what he ought ; he It is probable, however, that he was naturally would be wanting to himself if he did otherwise. Yes, under the influence of a delicate nervous system, and when he shall, at this game, lose his estates, his people, like his mother, but which he succeeded in con
his crown, and his sceptre, like his predecessor the unfor
tunate John *, he should hold to what is good, and not trolling. The following will show that he was
wander from the generous sentiments prescribed to him capable of strong emotions. After the battle of by his duties as a man and a prince. Misfortune! What Jena, in 1806, the Emperor Napoleon I., sensibly is misfortune? It is misfortune when a sovereign receives irritated, permitted the Grand Duke Charles- favourably strangers who are installed in his house. And Augustus of Saxe-Weimar to return to his estates, if his fall should
occur, if the future bring him the fate but not without evincing a lively mistrust. From of John, well! we, even we, will perform our duty, we
will follow our sovereign in his misfortunes as Lucas that time the noble and generous German was Kranach followed his, and we will not quit him a mosurrounded by spies, who approached almost to ment. The women and children, in seeing us pass through his table.
their villages will open their
tearful eyes and cry, See the
old Goethe and the Grand Duke of Weimar that the French * At this time,” says Falk, “ my own affairs called me
emperor has despoiled of his throne because he would frequently to Berlin or Erfurth, and as I knew in these
remain faithful to his friends in adversity, because he places many of the superior authorities, I discovered certain remarks in the registers of the secret police which bed; because he would not allow his companions of the
visited the Duke of Brunswick, his uncle, on his deathwere placed every evening before the emperor, and which bivouac to die of famine.' At these words he stopped, I hastened to commit to paper with the intention of choking, large tears rolling down his cheeks; then, after making it known to our sovereign. Goethe, on this oc
a moment's silence, I would sing for my bread, I would casion,
gave me so strong a proof of his personal attach- put our disasters in rhyme. In the villages, in the schools, ment to the grand duke, that I regard it as a duty to
wherever the name of Goethe is known, I would sing the exhibit to the German public this bright page in the life
shame of the German people, and their children should of their great poet. On my return to Erfurth, I called
learn my complaints by heart, and when they became on Goethe, and found him in his garden ; we spoke of the
men, sing these in honour of my master, and restore him domination of the French, and I reported precisely all
to his throne. See, my hands and feet tremble; I have that I was about to communicate to his highness. It is
not been so moved for a long while. Give me this report, stated in the writing, that the Grand Duke of Weimar
or rather take it yourself; throw it in the fire, let it was convicted of having advanced four thousand thalers burn, let it be consumed ; gather the ashes of it, plunge to General Blücher, our enemy, after the defeat of Lu
them into the water, let it boil, I will bring the wood ; beck; that every one besides knew that a Prussian
let it boil till it is destroyed ; that the last letter, the officer, Captain de Ende, had come to be placed near her last comma, the last point, may vanish in the smoke, and Royal Highness the Grand Duchess, in the capacity of that nothing may remain of this shameful manifesto on grand maitre de la cour; that it could not be denied that the soil of Germany." the installation of so many Prussian officers was in itself something offensive to France ; that the emperor would
In this narrative the following points are notenot allow such a conspiracy to plot against him in the worthy: 1. Goethe, thrown off his guard, disdark, in the centre of the German confederation; that closes, besides his tenderness, egoism and pocothe grand duke appeared to omit nothing calculated to curantism, and reminds us of ego et rex meus. He many things to forget
respecting Weimar.; that thus it has a special spite against a bit of paper that no was that Charles-Augustus had been seen, accompanied
one else would have
wreaked his vengeance upon. by Baron Müffling, in passing through his estates, visiting 2. Blücher, glad enough then to obtain a plate of the Duke of Brunswick, the mortal enemy of France.... meat and the sovereign loan of 6001., was, nine enough, I need no more; what do they want then, these years afterwards, the god
of the Londoners, who Frenchmen? Are they men who require more than hu- nearly wrung his hands off, and to whom, and not manity can perform? How long, then, has it been a , to the Duke of Wellington, they attributed the crime to remain faithful to his friends, to his oid com success at Waterloo.
Certainly Blücher was the panions in arms, in misfortune ? Is it so small a matter right man in the right place, but not exactly at for a brave gentleman that it is denied that our sovereign should efface from the most happy memories of his life * John Frederick, deprived of his electorate of Saxony the seven years' war, the memory of Frederick the Great, by the emperor in 1547.
the right time. One remark of his—the only one cident: he made a sketch on the spot, and afterI have heard—was in reply to the simple question, wards a finished painting, which was kept by What do you think of London ? “I think it is a West, and after his death is said to have been capital city to sack.” It is not unlikely indeed exhibited with other works of that distinguished that France and Prussia also have this in petto. painter. Dyer obtained his discharge in the course 3. The kind feelings of the Duke of Saxe-Weimar of a few years, and was taken into West's service. towards the Prussians are likely to be returned in He often sat for his face and figure, in several of a different way by Prussia to the duke's successor West's historical paintings, and lived with Sir who holds the key to Austria. 4. Fouché's system Benjamin some years. When he left, to settle of espionage and reports to Napoleon ; these were
in his native village, Sir Benjamin copied, and prepared on the expansion and contraction prin- presented to him, his likeness and that of his ciple. The first paper the emperor looked at was horse, from the picture painted some years before, little more than a table of contents ; if he wished and it has been handed down in the family in an to know a trifle more, he looked at No. 2 report undoubted succession; whilst the painting itself of the same transaction; and if very much in- carries with it unmistakeable evidence of its terested, he looked at the amplest report, No.3 or genuineness. It is very possible that West's 4, as the case might be. Napoleon was a great biography and the catalogue of his paintings may economist of time. 5. Falk thought he had sur have some reference to each of these productions, reptitiously got sight of this report, but there can which it would be very satisfactory to add to the be no reasonable doubt that it was designedly put facts I have here stated. I leave my address in his way for the purpose of his carrying the with the Publisher of “N. & Q.”; most willing news directly or indirectly to the ears of Charles- to reply to any particulars wherein your readers Augustus.
T. J. BUCKTON. may desire additional evidence. I have authority, Streatham Place, S.
in reference to the second picture, to say it can be purchased when its real value is fully ascer
tained. The first I presume would not be parted PICTURES BY WEST. with.
E. W. It may be of interest to some of the correspondents of “ N. & Q.” to know that two paintings by Sir Benjamin West are at this time
FLY-LEAVES: IZAAK WALTON.-On the fly-leaf to be found in the county of Wilts, of which I
of beg to offer a few particulars; respecting each of “ The Free-holder's Grand Inquest touching our Soverthem, any additional information, or confirmation eign Lord the King and the Parliament, &c. &c. By the of the traditions I mention, will be very accept- learned Sir Robert Filmer, Knight. London, 1679, 800," able. The first is a copy in oils of the larger pic- there is this inscription, "J. K. Don[um] Magistri ture of the death of General Wolfe, painted for Isaaci Walton." The initials evidently mean the engraving made by Woolcott in 1776. It John Ken, Walton's brother-in-law, to whom in once belonged to an ancestor of mine, and was his will he bequeathed a mourning ring: given by him to the father of the lady' in whose The doctrines of the ultra-Tory Filmer were possession it now is. I have reason to believe probably in unison with those of John Ken and that it was won in a raffle, after the engraver his brother, the ejected bishop, which would had finished his plate. Probably some person make the book a very acceptable present. How conversant with the history of the larger picture and when the volume itself came north is unmay be able to give some information on this known, but it was for many years in the singupoint. The other is a copy given by West him- larly curious library at Whitehaugh, in the county self as a parting present to an old servant, in of Aberdeen, which some few years since was whose family it has been handed down to the sold by piecemeal in the sale-rooms of the late Mr. present owner, with a careful tradition of its Nisbet, and is now possessed by Mr. T. Chapman. acknowledged value, and the history of which I Ken got his bishopric, as the story goes, in a now wish to perpetuate in “N. & Q."
somewhat unusual way. Mrs. Eleanor Gwynn had James Dyer, à native of Westbury Leigh, in been refused a lodging by this clergyman, who Wiltshire, was a private in the Life Guards. At was too upright a man to trade upon the vices of a review in Hyde Park before George III., Dyer his master, and Charles had been told what had by some accident was thrown from his charger; occurred. Thus the court had no doubt that he regained his footing, and stood by the side of Ken's future preferment was barred. Upon & his horse, resting his hand on the pommel of the vacancy occurring of the bishopric of Bath and saddle. West was struck with the fine figure | Wells, and there being many applicants, Charles and the very handsome face of this stalwart Wilt- settled the claims by nominating “ the little man shireman, and the expression with which his who had refused Nell a lodging,” stating that so noble horse seemed to regard the unfortunate ac stern a monitor would make an excellent bishop.
This venerable man, who could rebuke the Walpole, in his report for last year as Inspector of faults of his monarch, was equally remarkable for Salmon Fisheries, states that there is considerable tenacity of principle; for, after the revolution had improvement and increase in the take of fish. In removed the obstinate James from the throne, he North Devon, for instance, at the Taw and Tornevertheless held himself so much bound by his ridge, salmon were sold at 8d. per pound; on the oath that he declined allegiance to William and Exe, 4000 salmon were caught last season against Mary, and paid the natural penalty of his con 400 in previous years; on the Usk, 3000 freshscientious scruples.
J. M. fish were taken by anglers alone; on the Dee
47 net licences were taken out, the average daily Two CHURCHES UNDER ONE Roof.- Instances take of each net being 17 salmon; and 400 fish of two churches in one churchyard have been mentioned in your columns, but the following number caught in any previous year
. On the
were taken by the rod, as against 100, the greatest example of two churches under one roof must be
Wear there were more fish than had been seen in unique. Two distinct churches are under one
the last fifty years; whilst the conservators of the roof at Pakefield, near Lowestoft - All Saints' and St. Margaret's — forming a double aisle of where only 90 salmon were taken in 1859, 9000
Ribble and Hodder report that in one fishery, similar architecture and dimensions, divided by
were taken last summer! This is indeed satisfacseven pointed arches on octagonal pillars. It was evidently erected for two distinct congregations, of the Salmon Fishery Acts.
tory intelligence, and shows the beneficial effects
PHILIP S. King. and each had their own altar with raised steps. There is a square tower at the west end, the MR. BRIGHT'S EPIGRAMMATIC SAYING. - Mr. lower compartment of a richly painted rood screen, Bright, in a speech at Birmingham the other day, and the silver chalice is dated 1337. This in- quoted from some doggrel verse, I rather think stance is mentioned in Mr. Nall's Handbook to about St. Patrick, a clever though coarse saying, to Great Yarmouth and Lowestoft, from which book the effect that“ the beasts (meaning the Conservaa great deal of valuable matter may be derived. tives) had committed suicide to save themselves
JOHN PIGGOT, Jun. from slaughter.” For the original source of this
idea, we must mount up two thousand years and NAVAL REVIEW AT PORTSMOUTA, 1778.
more to Antiphanes, one of the earliest and *There should he see, as other folks have seen,
most celebrated Athenian poets of the middle That ships have anchors, and that seas are green ; comedy, whose first exhibition was about B.c. 383. Should own the tackling trim, the streamers fine, With Sandwich prattle, and with Bradshaw dine;
I refer to the lines (Fragm. Comicorum Græcorum, And then sail back, amid the cannons' roar,
p. 567, ed. Meineke): – As safe, as safe, as when he left the shore."
Τίς δ' ουχί θανάτου μισθοφόρος, ώ φιλτάτη,
“Ος ενέκα του ζην έρχετ' αποθανούμενος και Such was the spirit in which a review at Ports- And at a much later period we find Martial mouth, in the presence of royalty, was spoken of (Book 11. Epigr. 80) adopting the same idea : in the days of George III. The satirist had previously discharged an arrow at his Majesty on
Hoc rogo, non furor est ne moriare, mori.” account of his alleged excessive seclusion of him
When Fannius from his foe did fly, self:
Himself with his own hands he slew;
Who e'er a greater madness knew? “Our sons some slave of greatness may behold,
Life to destroy for fear to die." Cast in the genuine Asiatic mould;
Anon, 1695. Who of three realms shall condescend to know
C. T. RAMAGE. No more than he can spy from Windsor's brow.”
Heroic Epistle. SALE OF OLD MANUSCRIPTS AND BOOKS. Then, because the naval review at Spithead was “In a collection of interesting manuscripts sold in ordered about two months after, the poet took London last week at the rooms of Sotheby, Wilkinson, credit to himself for producing the display by his
& Hodge, the following lot was included :-Robert Burns' animadversions. See note, p. 19.
ode, · Bruce's Address to his Troops at Bannockburn'. An account of George III.'s visit to the navy,
tune, Lewie Gordon. The autograph manuscript of this
poem is written on two sides of a letter addressed to Capat Spithead, &c., will be found in the Annual tain Millar, Dalswinton. The letter commences :Register for 1778, p. 232. (Appendix to the Chro
“ * DEAR SIR,—The following ode is on a subject which nicle.) Information had lately been received I know you by no means regard with indifference: of the treaty between France and the revolted
- 0) Liberty: American colonies of Great Britain. W.D. Thou mak'st the gloomy face of nature gay,
Giv'st beauty to the sun, and pleasure to the day." SALMON FISHING. - Doubtless many of the readers of “N. & Q.” are anglers: here is good honest bosom glows with the generous enthusiasm, the
It does me so much good to meet with a man whose news for them, and worth making a note of. Mr. heroic daring, of liberty, that I could not forbear sending
you a composition of my own on the subject, which I | I forget the sequel. It is curious that in the really think is in my best manner, &c.
greatness of the man there should be found room (Signed) • ROBERT BURNS.'
for this littleness. This Tommy Pakenham was ** A more desirable memorial of this beautiful Scottish
“ a don't care sort of fellow." It was said his poet,' says the Catalogue, it would be impossible to
J. S. possess. This precious relic of the great Scottish poet every hair would make a toothpick. is framed and glazed, and enclosed in a handsome ma
Stratford, Essex. hogany case ; it went for 121., and was purchased by
LIVERPOOL SHIPOWNERS AND THEIR FLAGS IN Mr. Robert Thallon, who immediately drew a cheque for 1793.—I lately unearthed in Mr. Tweedy's rethe amount, and was congratulated by the auctioneer on his obtaining so great a bargain.”
nowned “old curiosity shop," at Newcastle-uponThis transaction I have remarked with much Tyne, a pint mug of common creamy white
earthenware, decorated with “ an east view of concern. On June 24, 1861, the autograph above referred to was placed in my hands, as the Acting
Liverpool lighthouse and signals on Bidstone
Hill, 1793." The lighthouse stands near the Secretary of the National Wallace Monument Committee, with a view to its being shown to
centre of the group, and fifty-six signal-flags, all subscribers, and afterwards deposited in the struc- specially numbered, are arranged from left to ture of the monument. The gentleman who right: A small compass
, with the fleur-de-lis handed it to me was my late friend Sir James pointing to the right, indicates the north. I send Maxwell Wallace. He had succeeded to it on
you the names and flag numbers of the shipM.P. for Greenock, to whom it was presented by terest to Captain Cutile, as well as to those conthe death of his brother, Mr. Wallace of Kelly, owners, as arranged below the picture in four
columns, thinking they may be of some little inthe son of Captain Millar, who regarded him as
nected with the great seaport of Liverpool :the head of the Wallace family, and therefore
1. Mr. Slater's.
29. Mr. C. Jones'. its proper custodier. When I left Stirling, in the
2. Mr. Dawson's.
30. Greenland Ships'. autumn of 1863, I returned the document to Sir
3. Mr. Watt's.
31. Men-of-War. James, at his request, but he expressed no inten 4. Mr. Kent's.
32. Ships'. tion of retiring from his promise to deposit the
5. Mr. Fisher's.
33. Bigs'. document in the monument. Sir James died a
6. Mr. Bolton's.
34. Snow's. few months
7. Mr. Ingram's.
8. Messrs. Dunbar & Co.'s 36. Mr. Gregson's. 2, Heath Terrace, Lewisham, S.E.
9. Mr. Ashton's.
37. Messrs. Breeze & Co.'s “THUS !” EARL ST. VINCENT.—I was struck with
10. Mr. Blackbourn's. 38. Mr. Leyland's.
39. Mr. Bostock's. the signature Thus in your publication (3rd S.
12. Mr. Bent's.
40. Mr. Tomlinson's. xii. 27), believing it came from one bearing the 13. Mr. Backhouse's. 41. Messrs. Rawlinson's. honoured name of Jervis. It reminded me, that 14. Mr. Bradstock's. 42. Mr. Tarleton's. when a midshipman on board H.M.S. "Hibernia" 15. Messrs. T. & E. Hodg- 43. Dublin Packet's. we had in our band the bass drum bearing the
44. Messrs. Lake's, arms and motto (Thus) of the great and glorious 17. Messrs. Browne's
. 16. Mr. Dickson's.
45. Mr. Benson's.
46. Mr. Jackson's. Earl St. Vincent, which he left on board on
18. Mr. Freeland's.
47. Mr. Kerrley's. striking his flag. A messmate of mine asked the 19. Mr. Copland's.
48. Messrs. Alanson & Cie black drummer the meaning of the word; a stiff 20. Messrs. Earl's. 49. Messrs. Mason & Co.' glass of grog was to be the reward. The black 21. Mr. R. Fisher's. 50. Belfast Trader's.
22. Mr. Ward's.
51. Dublin Trader's,
23. Mr. Staniforth's. 52. Lond Cheese Ship's.
53, Harper & Brad's. in hand, called out in a stentorian voice :
25. Mr. Brooks's.
54. Mr. Beckwith's. meaning of the word, sare, is, when you catch a 26. Mr. France's.
55. Mr. Humble's. fool, sare, to swallow him—Thus,” amid the up- 28. Mr. Birch's.
27. Mr. Boats's.
56. Mr. Ratcliff's. roar of some dozen reefers.
And now a little about the Earl St. Vincent. Then follow signals for “vessels in distress or The victory that gained his title properly stamps on shore," and also for ships coming in or going his effigy in gold. He was a man of tremendous out. energy. I know nought of his conduct towards I conjecture that this mug was made for the his superiors, or if he thought he had any. How- special use of Liverpool seafaring men, that, when erer, when in command all felt the weight of his taking their ease in their inn, they might imbibe power, and succumbed. There was one exception professional instruction as well as beer. to make it a general rule. When captains went
GEORGE HARDCASTLE. on board his ship, and "made their bow,” if not
Sunderland. low enough-according to his bending—he would SEEING IN THE DARK. — The biographer of cry out “ Lower, lower, lower !" One captain, I Lamennais, I observe, states that this very rethink named Pakenham-Tommy Pakenham his markable man had the faculty of seeing in the sobriquet-answered “ No, not for His Majesty." dark. It is stated of the two Scaligers, fathe: