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mWi rbf ally was attacked. The honourable gentleman whcipeie last (Mr Pybus) thought that we were not bound hyxi treaty, though the whole of the argument had gone on ac ground that we were bound by the faith <\f treaties. T&rrtaty was a treaty of defence, and had a specific and eefermin'ite meaning; it obliged Great Biitain to go to war ealj after our ally had been actually attacked. It might &triy be contrasted with that extraordinary treaty lately entfred into in India, by which we were bound to make war ona specific Prince, till the Nizam and Mahrattas were to Wfatiated with plunder. That treaty went no farther, and Heaven knew that this was far enough! By the present system, vst were to take up arms whenever an opportunity stiould offer for the oppression of the test of Europe. He would adait, for a moment, that such a system was founded in justice and policy, and that the present war was not inconsistent w;th humanity; but still he was at a loss to know how it could be proved that Oczakow, in the hands of the Czarina, cotJd hurt the interests either of Prussia or of this country. ITie Court of Berlin had never been very supine or inattent're to her own interests, and yet the late King of Prussia hid guaranteed places of infinitely more importance to the Eœpiess than Oczakow, which had been in her hands for three years, without making any complaint. She had greatly trended her conquests, but the House had been assured, and it it had not been contradicted, they must suppose it was true, that stie was ready to give up every place, except Oci;bw and the country around it, Suppose that Constantinople had once more fallen back into the hands of a Chrtflan power, and some of the finest provinces of the world were3 little more civilized, was the King of Piussia most 14th; to suffer? But, after all, was the. power and aggranUKtnent of their ally their only object, and were they to ?1 no attention to their own domestic situation? This counts was flourishing, owing, in some degree, to certain regu"tions which had been made, and to the increase of commerce, the invaluable consequence of security; at the same time, •-cording to some opinions, and these n"t inconsiderable, ^expenditure had always exceeded pur income, and in no ■1[thad our revenue been such, but that in stood in need of most rigid economy, It was not our army, and the "-[fflberof sliips which we possessed, that could ensure our l^ttJ' An armament must always bring on this country a 'tr» heavy expence. What was it that called them to this ,ir< Holland was bound to them by her interest and incli^'on; Spain, it was evident, did not consider the conces"isstie made us to be of the fame consequence that we ai wd whoever attended to the state of France, would not R 2 expect
expect much harm from her, at least while she remained in
Tarda jiuunt, ingrataq', lempora, (jute spent
■ Lord Lord Brtgravc rose to explain, and denied the charge ( Belgrave. his supporting universally the idea of preferring partial to ge nend information; or unlimited confidence to necessary con fidence, such ;is it behoved that House to give, and such a it was requisite the executive Government should receive. Mr. Mr. Powys expressed his pnxions wishes that neither tfy Powys. zeal 0f t]le non]e Lord, nor the eloquence of the honourable gentleman who had seconded his motion for the previouj question, would be able to suppress the farther discussion oj the original question, whatsoever opinion the House mighl entertain of the string of resolutions which bad been openei by his honourable friend. They were bound by every dut
which they owed to their constituents to consider this question.
Lord Rdrrave again rose to explain. He said, that by Lord implicit, he did not mean a blind confidence; he mt ant only Ee'.grave. fct Ministers ought to have a full, not a half support.
Mr.Ryder Mr. Ryder observed that, for his own part, he applaud the silence of Ministers, notwithstanding that the honoi able gentleman on the floor, and the rest of the gentlem who lpokeon the motion, had blamed that side of the Hou; because they shrunk from the discussion. It was easy fi gentlemen on the other side to use hard words, app'y the own opinion to them, and then draw inferences from th. opinion; but all this was to be considered as
"Vox, et pratcrea nibil"
He, for one, however, could not avoid thinking that fsi
in| open these precedents, Mr. Ryder said, tliat as far as cor.sfcce went respecting the present object, that House batfaktady voted their confidence when they gave the vote of fspplj, and addressed His Majesty, assuring him of their iiipmi.
Mt John Thomas Stanley said, he had earnestly wislied for Mr. J.T. a opportunity of speaking, ever since the gentlemen oppo- Stanley, fcetohim, who had spoken first and second in the debate, iad sat down A kind of challenge had been thrown out to this side of the House by them, to produce arguments in opposition to theirs: this he thought could be done; but first he would fay, that he opposed the motion originally made, Mid would vote for the previous question; notbfcusehe deaied the truth of any of the propositions, some of which, cn the contrary, were incontrovertible, but becaule this was cot the time for them to be brought forward; and he would 2* readily vote against a resolution brought forward at a *rong season, as against one that he disapproved of in itwif.
He would now say, in oppositionto what had beenadvanced that his vote in favour of the address, a preceding evening, and the support he intended to give to the measures of rhe Administration on this occasion, were neither of them foundal on grounds of implicit confidence. He disdained the *crd, and so much did he dislike the idea of giving implicit tcnfidince to any man in a House of Commons, that had no ;rgnments suggested themselves to hi« mind, in addition tothe confidence which he owned might assist in determining
vote, he would have waved it all, and have given a defied vote against measures that tended to involve the county in a war.
He had not the privilege with many others of calling the "<ght honourable gentleman on the bench below him, a right Colourable friend; he was not in such habits of intimacy *.thany gentleman filling the high stations of office, as to *them biassed in his opinion, or governed by partiality. The confidence he gave, was not the confidence to which private friendship laid a claim; it was founded on what he of the Minister, from the public measures of the Mif'fter; and as these were anproved of, surely every indiviwalbad a right, without betraying the trust reposed in him 7the country, of giving a degree of confidence and credit toihe Minister who asked for it, and who declared, in the ^st manly manner, he held himself responsible for the use V might make of it.
He owned it had required all the strength of his mind to ^ist the specious eloquence and plausible arguments, which