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No. VIN. — Note from Mr. Secretary | in view the renewal of such discussions,

Canning to Messrs. Monroe and not as forming any part of the treaty then

Pinckney, dated Oct. 22d, 1807. signed, (as the American commissioners The undersigned, bis majesty's princi- appear to have been instructed to assume) pal secretary of state for foreign affairs, in but separately, and at some subsequent returning an answer to the official note period more favourable to their successful with which Messrs. Vonroe and Pinckney termination.-But the alterations proposed liave accompanied their communication of by the president of the United States in the copy of the treaty which has been sent the body of the treaty thus formerly conback unratified from America, is com- eluded, appear to require more particular manded, in the first place, to inform the observation. — The undersigned is comAmerican commissioners, that his majesty manded distinctly, to protest against a cannot profess himself to be satistied that practice altogether unusual in the political the American government has taken any transactions of States; by which the Amesuch effectual steps, with respect to the rican government assumes to itself the decree of France, by which the whole of privilege of revising and altering agreehis majesty's dominions are declared to be ments concluded, and signed, on its bein a state of blockade, as to do away the half, by its agents duly authorized for ground of that reservation which was con purpose; of retaining so much of those tained in the note delivered by his maj.'s agreements as may be favourable to its commissioners at the time of the signature own views, and of rejecting such stipulaof the treaty; but that, reserving to him- tions, or such parts of stipulations, as are self the right of taking, in consequence of conceived to be not sufficiently beneficial that decree, and of the omission of any to America.-If the American government effectual interposition, on the part of neu has a right to exercise such a revision, an tral nations, to obtain its revocation, such equal right cannot be denied to others. measures of retaliation as his majesty And it is obvious, that the adoption of might judge expedient, it was neverthe- such a practice by both parties to a treaty, less the desire and determination of his would tend to render negotiation indefinite, majesty, if that treaty had been sanctioned and settlement hopeless; or rather to suby the ratification of the president of the persede altogether the practice of negotiaUnited States, to have ratified it, on his tion through authorized commissioners, majesty's part, and to have given the and to make every article of a compact fullest effect to all its stipulations.—Some between state and state the subject of reof the considerations upon which the re- peated reference, and of endless discusfusal of the president of the United States sion. The alteration of particular articles to ratify the treaty is founded are such as in a treaty, after the whole has been carecan be inatter of discussion only between fully adjusted and arranged, must necesthe American government and its com- sarily open the whole to renewed delibemissioners; since it is not for his majesty ration. The demands of one party are not to inquire, whether in the conduct of this to be considered as absolute, and the connegotiation the commissioners of the U. cessions of the other as uncenditional. States have failed to conform themselves What may have been given, on the one in any respect to the instructions of their hand, in consideration of advantage to be government.--In order to determine the derived, in return, from accompanying course which his majesty has to pursue in stipulations, might have been refused, if the present stage of the transaction, it is those stipulations had been less favoursufficient that the treaty was considered, able; and must necessarily be withdrawn, by those who signed it, as a complete and if they are changed. It cannot be adperfect instrument.-No engagements were mitted, that any government should hold entered into, on the part of his majesty, those with whom it treats to all that has as connected with the treaty, except such been granted by them in its favour, relaxas appear upon the face of it.

Whatever ing at the same time, on its part, the reciencouragement may have been given by procal conditions for which its own faith his majesty's commissioners to the hope has been engaged; or that, after having expressed by the commissioners of the obtained by ni gotiation a knowledge of United States, that discussions might there- the utmost extent of concession to which after be entertained with respect to im- the other contracting party is prepared to pressment of British seamen for merchant consent in the conclusion of a treaty, it vessels, must be understood to have had should require yet further concession,

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without equivalent, as the price of its rati- | the house. Ministers, after the various fication. — The undersigned is therefore transactions in which they had been encommanded to apprize the American com- "gaged last summer, had laid upon the tamissioners, that although his majesty will ble notes, dispatches, and extracts of disbe all times ready to listen to any sugges- patches, explanatory of their conduct. tions for arranging, in an amicable and ad- These he considered deficient, and his devantageous manner, the respective interests sign was to call upon them to supply the of the two countries, the proposal of the chasm which they had left. His first mopresident of the United States for proceed tion was for “ Copies and Extracts of Dising to negotiate anew, upon the basis of a patches from the secretary of state for treaty already solemnly concluded and foreign affairs to our ministers at Vienna signed, is a proposal wholly inadmissible. relative to the proffered Mediation of And his majesty has therefore no option, Austria.” As he understood that this under the present circumstances of this was to be granted, he would say nothing transaction, but to acquiesce in the refusal further upon that point. The second, he of the president of the United States to considered as of paramount importance. ratify the treaty signed on the 31st of It was for the “ Substance of any commuDec. 1806. The undersigned, &c. nication made by his majesty's minister

GEORGE CANNING. at the court of Petersburgh, to his majes

ty's principal secretary of state for foreign affairs, of a conversation held between the

emperor of Russia and lord Hutchinson, Tuesday, February 16.

on the 23rd of Aug 1807, relative to the MEDIATION OF Russia AND Austria.] Treaty of Peace concluded by Russia, and Mr. Whitbread rose, pursuant to notice, the offer made by that power to mediate a to move for certain Papers, which there peace between G. Britain and France.".

a necessity for having before the When he had given notice of this motion house, previous to the discussion which he on a former day, the right hon. secretary intended to introduce on Monday se'n- had said, that he thought it improper to night. All these papers were so obvious- lay before the house any communication ly necessary to come to a right under- of an accredited minister with a foreign standing on the subject of the propriety sovereign. After that, he must give up in or impropriety of the conduct of minis- despair all hope of convincing him that ters, relative to the proffered Mediation this document ought to be granted. But of Russia, and Austria, and he was as his colleague, the right hon. the chanmuch at a loss to conceive any inconveni- cellor of the exchequer, had modified that ence that could result from their produc- opinion, and said, that he did not go quite tion, that unless he had received intimation to the extent of the right hon. secretary, he that some of the motions would not be would address himself to bim, in the hope acceded to, he would not have thought that he would not be altogether so inacthat, in the present instance, there was any cessible to the reasons which he might be occasion whatever for his entering upon able to urge for the production of these the question at all. But, as the matter papers. But, addressing a few words, stood, he should be wanting in his duty to however, in the first place, to the right the house and to the public, if he did not hon. secretary, he said, that one would say something in support of the argument think, from what the right hon. gent. had so ably maintained the other night, that stated, that the communication of a conpublicity was the essence of the British versation of a minister with a sovereign, constitution; and that parliament had a was a thing which had never happened. right to call for, and demand, all informa- The right hon. gent. thought that policy tion which it was consistent with the pub- compelled our ministers to hold confelic safety to give. Publicity might in rences with sovereigns, on account of the deed be emphatically termed the essence system to that effect introduced by the of the British constitution, and to with- French ambassadors, with whom it was hold important information was therefore necessary that the British ambassadors a violation of its most essential principle. should be on equality; and this he made -Having said this much generally, he an excuse for concealment upon the point would now advert to the particular object of delicacy to these sovereigns. He spoke which he had in view, in the motions in high terms of the British ambassador which he was now about to submit to being compelled to stand in the anti-room

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and witness the conduct of the French, which he had not detailed, which shewed ambassador bearding the sovereign. By that he had weighed the matter well, and that the right hon. gent. meant, perhaps, withheld what he thought it improper to to insinuate, that our ministers ought to disclose.-The hon. gent. then proceeded copy the example of the French, and to state instances in which communications claim an equal privilege on that head. of conversations with sovereigns had been With this spirit he might, perhaps, think laid before the house. Ile mentioned, that our ministers ought not to remain at first, the confidential conversation bethe court. Now, he would ask him, whe-tween the first consul of France and lord ther our ministers had been required to Whitworth, which had been made public, proceed in this manner? He believed in his opinion, most indiscreetly. The he could not be so indiscreet as to say next instance was the cominunication of 50. He insinuated that it was a breach of the public conference of lord Whitduty in an accredited minister, to mention worth with Buonaparte, the publicathe conversations he might have had with tion of which he considered as manifesta sovereign. This was not the case in all ing a still greater indiscretion. He also circumstances; but, at any rate, the noble adverted to the dispatch of lord Stranglord (Hutchinson) was not an accredited ford, who talked of taking upon himself minister; but a most distinguished indivi- to forgive the peccadillo of the prince dual-a hero, in this age of European he- regent. Where was the delicacy of the roes--one who was renowned all over the right hon. gentleman when he published world for his military talents, and no less this? He might at least have spared the celebrated for his high sense of honour, humbled prince this mortification. But than for his skill in his profession. One there was a prince who was not ashamed who, as a private individual, maintain- of giving his conversations to the world ed a communication with the emperor he meant the Crown Prince of Denmark, of Russia, with the knowledge of our who, on Mr. Jackson's adverting to the accredited minister. The conversation asperity of his language, said, that no which he held with the emperor on

wonder if his reply was marked by aspethe 23d of Aug. was well known at the rity, when such propositions were made to time, and had been conveyed to this coun- him ; who, on our offer of what we called try in a dispatch from lord G. L. Gower. advantageous terms, replied, “what will It had, he knew, been communicated to you give me as a compensation for the lord G. L. Gower, with the intention of wounded honour of Denmark ?" The being sent to our ministers. Why, then, ministers had been very liberal of their should it not be communicated to the communications after the death of Mr. house? It was already known to all, and Pitt, and laid the treaties with Austria, why should the house of commons remain &c. &c. on the table, together with a diswithout the knowledge of it in a regular patch mentioning the sentiments of prince and authentic form. The emperor, con

Charles, which, though very proper to be fiding in the judgment and integrity of communicated to them, ought not to have the distinguished individual alluded to, been made public. It might, perhaps, be asked him whether, considering the situa- said, that he went to the extent of claimtion of affairs, peace ought not to be con- ing all information. But he disclaimed cluded? That noble lord asserted that it any such intention. Whatever it might ought. The emperor then said, that he be prejudicial to the interests of the pubhad offered his mediation for a peace with lic to produce, he did not want; but England, stating, at the same time, that when information was refused, merely from what he knew, peace might be con

because it would be prejudicial to the included on honourable terms. Was not terests of ministers, he would put it to the this document necessary, in order to sense of the house of commons whether it enable the house to form its judgment ? ought to be withheld. It might be said Was there any thing indiscreet in the that he might argue on the paper in quescommunication made on this subject ? No tion as a matter of notoriety. Why, so --the noble lord was prevented by no ob- he might, but he thought it more decoligation whatever of duty or of expedien- rous to have it in a regular way before the cy to conceal the conversation. It was house. Did such a paper exist? If they not done rashly. He knew well what said-no, he should then know what to do. ought to be concealed and what not. If it did exist in an authentic form, the There were some parts of the conferences house would decide whether it ought to be

refused. On these grounds, he trusted administration, but from the principle that, the house would decide in favour of his whatever party differences might exist at motion for this paper, and that they would home, they ought not to influence the compel the right hon. gent. opposite to conduct of diplomatic agents at foreign produce it. There were other papers for courts. He had therefore put the empewhich he should subsequently move, and

ror of Russia and his ministers in possesto the production of which he did not sion of the best defence that he could at know whether any, or what extent of ob- the moment make. Subsequently, he had jection, existed on the part of his majes- received from England copies of the corty's government. They were as follow: respondence between M. Alopeus and his A copy of the answer that had been right hon. friend. M. Alopeus's Note made by his majesty's minister, at the contained charges similar to those' concourt of St. Petersburgh, to the Note from veyed to him in the note from gen. Bud. gen. Budberg, dated the 30th June, 1807; berg, with this difference, that M. Alopeus or any Instructions that he had received entered into a detail from which gen. on that subject, from his majesty's govern- Budberg had abstained. To M. Alopeus's ment. It was scarcely possible to sup note an elaborate answer had been sent pose, that the British ambassador had not by his right hon. friend, which contained returned an answer to a Note, containing a most able defence of the conduct of his such heavy charges against the British majesty's late government. At the first government. If he had not, let it be said conference which he had had with the so; if he had, let the answer be produced. Russian minister for foreign affairs, after 2. “ A copy of the dispatches from the the reception of this answer, he had called British minister to the court of St. Peters his attention to its contents, but had not burgh, transmitted to his majesty's prin- thought it necessary to add any thing of cipal secretary of state for foreign affairs, his own. As to any copy which he might containing a confirmation of the assu have sent to England of the conversation rances alluded to in the Note from lord G. enjoyed by lord Hutchinson with the emL. Gower to gen. Budberg, dated Memel, peror of Russia, the fact was this: during 28th June, 1807, referring to a declara- the period that lord Hutchinson had been tion made by his Imperial majesty at with the Russian army, he was in the habits Tilsit, to the British ambassador, that no of constant and familiar intercourse with circumstances had occurred to weaken his the emperor. It was therefore with great attachment to Great Britain, satisfied as satisfaction he found that lord Hutchinson he was of the honour and fidelity of his was induced, from motives of curiosity, to Britannic majesty.” 3. “A copy, or the visit St. Petersburgh; for, knowing that substance of any assurances from this that noble lord would have many more country, communicated to the court of St. opportunities of private interviews with Petersburgh after the commencement of the emperor of Russia than he, in his ofthe Russian war, with respect to any di- ficial situation, could possibly expect, he version on the continent by G. Britain, flattered himself that the result might be and particularly of the dispatches com highly advantageous to the two countries. municating the assurances alluded to in Lord H. had communicated to him conhis majesty's Declaration; assurances, to fidentially his conversation with the emwhich his majesty states, that his Imperial peror ; but certainly he did not understand majesty had received, and acknowledged that the noble lord meant this conversation with apparent confidence and satisfaction." to be the subject of a public dispatch.

Lord G. L. Gower was desirous of He had looked upon it as the confidential speaking to two points, mentioned by the communication of a confidential conversahon. gent. The first was with regard to tion. He had therefore inclosed it in a the answer which - he was supposed to private letter to his right hon. friend, not have sent to gen. Budberg's Note of the thinking it proper that the confidential 30th of June 1807. That Note contained conversation of the emperor of Russia with charges of so heavy, a nature against the a private individual should be entered on British government, that he had thought the records of a public office. it his duty personally to state, with re Mr. Secretary Canning said, the account spect, but at the same with courage, such given by his noble friend of the circumreasons as occurred to him in their justifi stances connected with the two topics to cation. He had done this not merely which he had alluded, made it hardly from respect for the character of the late necessary for him to trouble the house on

these points. The argument of the hon. / When the hon. gent. asked for any asgent. however, who had made the motion, surances of military assistance that had seemed to go to this, that a communica- been communicated by his majesty's pretion by a crowned head to an unaccredited sent government, in confirmation of the agent of another country was equally assurances that had been communicated by proper to be produced, as if such commu the last government, he supposed that he nication had been made to an accredited alluded to the discussion in that house, in agent. In this respect, he thought the which it had been stated by himself (Mr. hon. gent. had in some shape abandoned | C.) and his colleagues, that on their comthe motion of which he gave notice yes-ing into office, they found the expectations terday, and which stood on the Journals of the allies of G. Britain- of military asof the house. If, however, the hon. gent. sistance, raised to a great height, but that after the statement of the noble lord had they found no means provided of satisfying driven him from the one argument, should those expectations. He now repeated, be inclined to maintain the other, he must that those expectations had been stated by contend, not only that communications foreign courts, more particularly and with made to accredited agents of this country, greater precision than the distinct assure but even to travellers led to any foreign ances and instructions which he had found country by curiosity, and by them trans recorded in the foreign office, seemed to mitted in a private letter to a person hold- warrant. But it was well known, that ing any official situation in this country, with respect to assurances of this nature, were proper evidence to be submitted to much passed in personal communications, this house. He expressed his sorrow, that which was not transferred to paper. With a right hon. gent. (Mr. Grenville) was not some of the motions he should comply present. He might have suggested to the most willingly; because when the papers hon. Inover the proper mode of rendering were produced they would show that great such private letter a good public and offi- expectations had been entertained of Bricial document. He could have told him tish assistance, by the continental-powers; to what Board 10 apply for this purpose, they would shew that the noble lord to whether to the Admiralty, Victualling, or whose authority the gentlemen opposite Transport. If he could only have laid his were so fond of referring, and for whose hand on some obsolete Note, that right authority on military subjects, and on subhon. gent would have instructed him how jects connected with ḥis situation, he ento make it official: he would have put him tertained the highest respect ;-that lord in the proper way to intreat

Hutchinson had distinctly stated to the “ Oh, let my little Note attendant sail.”

emperor of Russia and to the king of Prus

sia, that he knew his government intended Lord G. L. Gower had already explained, to make a continental diversion in their that he (Mr. C.) had, to the best of his abi- favour; that he was authorised to make lity, vindicated the late ministry from the them the strongest assurances on this subcharges made against them by the Russian ject, although he could not particularize government, and had also stated substan- | the point at which the diversion was to be tial reasons why neither the Note nor an effected. By some of the papers it would swer could be produced. He was con appear, that at the commencement of the vinced the hon. mover was satisfied on that late war between Prussia and France, dishead, and would not insist on the produc- patches had been sent to the courts of St. tion of a paper which might do a great Petersburgh and Stockholm, calling loudly deal of injury, merely with a view of mak on those powers to make the greatest ex. ing his own argument a little better or a ertions, and to march an army to the aslittle worse. Worse, he could assure him, sistance of Prussia. He did not mean to after all, would it undoubtedly be-made, contend that that exhortation was a diswere the Note produced. By some of the tinct and particular pledge on the part of hon, gent.'s other motions, he seemed to G. Britain, but surely G. Britain had no have it in view, to ascertain, whether the right to require such exertions, unless she cause of the country, as administered by meant bonâ fide to imply that she would the late government, had been defended bear her share in them. After this call howby the present government. He appeared | ever, a great interval elapsed without any to think, that enough had not been done specific promise of assistance on our part, by the present ministers to maintain what and the whole correspondence between had been done by the late ministers. Russia and G. Britain consisted of applica

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