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tions and reproaches from the former. \ a distinction was meant studiously to be The court of Petersburgh was unquestion taken, between the last and the present ably entitled to suppose that they would administration; and that the assurances receive support from this country, either referred to, as having given such lively by military diversion or by pecuniary satisfaction to his imperini insjesty, were assistance; they had neither. A proposal the assurances of the present administramade by Russia to negotiate in this coun tion alone. The hon. gent. was inistaken: try a loạn for six millions had been re- the Declaration referred to the assurances fused. He did not state this as attaching communicated to Russia in March, by lord blame to the late ministers, for he fairly Hutchinson, from the last government, as allowed that the negotiation of such a loan well as to those communicated in April from must, in effect, after the experience which the present government. How could his this country had had, be considered as en- majesty's ministers more fairly detend the tailing a great risk, if not ultimately a conduct of their predecessors, than by burden, on us. But, there was a wide dif- their identifying that conduct with their ference between refusing that loan and own? On the accusations by Russia, of doing nothing. We might have declined our interrupting her commerce, of our making so considerable an exertion with withholding from her pecuniary and miliout disappointing Russia, by leaving her tary aid; as those accusations were stated altogether without help. Had we agreed in the Russian Declaration, he did not see to raise 4 millions, or 3 millions, or 2 mil. that there was any thing that would be delions (for which of course provision must ficient in the information, which would, have been made as for a subsidy), we be produced by the hon. gent.'s motions. should at least have gratified the feelings Lut, there was a specific charge brought of his imperial majesty; but of such an in- by Russia against this country, namely, tention on the part of the late government the Expedition to Alexandria, which the no trace existed in the records of the fo- hon. gent.'s motions would not sufficiently reign office. This complete refusal was elucidate. In the correspondence of his the more censurable, as no power on the majesty's existing government with the continent had been so uniformly faithful court of St. Petersburgh (without any referto its pecuniary engagements as Russia. ence to their private opinion), that expeWhen the wants of the Russian army were dition has been defenced against Russia, 80 pressing, towards the latter end of on the ground that the war with Turkey the last campaign, lord Hutchinson, in the had been undertaken by this country on sound exercise of the discretion with which Russian instigation, and for Russian obhe was invested, had advanced the misera-jects. That in the course of that exble sum of 30,000l. to relieve them from petition, it was diverted from a point their embarrassments. Since the war be- where it would have been successful, to tween the two countries that money had a point where it could not, was a part been repaid. With respect to the charge of the susject which coald not be enbrought by the Russian government against tered into with minuteress in his majesthe late administration of this country, for ty’s Declaration. In moving for the cordisturbing their commerce by unnecessary respondence respecting the oiter of mediadetentions, the present administration had tion between Great Britain and France, refuted it in the face of Europe, with as made by Austria, the hon. gent. thought much anxiety and decision as if it had been that the chasin which existed from the preferred against themselves. Though he month of April to the month of Nov. in thought it had been sufficiently refuted, the official no es between prince Starhemhe had no objection to the laudable desire berg and the British secretary of state, expressed by the hon. gent. of vindicating an extraordinary one. It was easily to his friends by the production of papers on be accounted for. The proposal of mediathe subject. The hon. gent. was desirous tion was made in April
, while the camto obtain the dispatches from this country, paign on the continent was proceeding, containing those assurances of support and and before Prussia and Austria had made co-operation, which it was stated in his
a separate peace. Under those circummajesty's declaration, that « his imperial stances, it was cheerfully accepted by this majesty had received and acknowledged, country, subject only to the condition that with apparent confidence and satisfac- we must not be expected to depart from tion.' The hon. gent. implied, that in our good faith with other powers. Mr. that
passage of his majesty's Declaration, Adair was then at Vienna, but it was a VOL. X.
matter of general knowledge, that when right hon. gent. expect that the er a negotiation was carrying on between should have sent, or delivered, a di
two courts, that the correspondence from to lord H. ? He would wish to know , the court where the negotiation was car ever, why the communication hac
rying on, to the minister at the other court, made to lord H. but that he might consisted only of a transmission of the it to his government? Why it ha official documents; lest a cross negotia- by him communicated to our amba tion should be produced. Lord Pembroke but for the same reason ? And w soon after that time, was appointed the ambassador had thought it of such British minister at Vienna. Had his lord- quence as again to communicate it ship found the terms of mediation accept- secretary of state for foreign affair ed by the other powers, he would have was said however, that this last co communicated that acceptance to his go- nication was made by a private vernment at home; but his voyage and He did not ask for the private lett journey had been so delayed by unfavour- for the genuine purport of the com able circumstances, that he did not arrive at cation. When the chief of a govern Vienna, until the latter end of June. A offering to us his mediation, condesc few hours afterwards the fatal news of the to coinmunicate on that subject with battle of Friedland reached that capital; tive of this country, and that comm and of course no more was heard of tion was transmitted to our official se Austrian mediation ; nor had government at home, was not the house enti received any other political communica- know that such mediation was not i tion of importance from the continent, un- vidently slighted? As to the righ til that cffer (at the desire of France) gent.'s observations on a member o which was then on the table.
house, but not now present (Mr. Mr. Ponsonby felt a good deal of as ville) that was all a joke; the obser= tonishment at the conduct of the right was below him. At least it was hon. gent. who had just sat down. His the house to listen to it. He, the observations seemed all to be stated from minister, received from the king' the question, rather than to the question, bassador, and for the people of this and to have been prepared more in con- dom, a letter, the very essence and templation of an accusation against the lity of which proved it to be of a late ministers, than to have presented and important 'nature.
Did the themselves on the motion of his hon. hon. gentleman deny it was so? I friend. First, the late ministers were cul- allege that his friend lord G. L. G pable in having held out assurances, or had sitten down to write him a let exciting hopes of co-operation to the pleasure ; that he had entertained continental powers. Again, they were with an account of a concert or da wrong in not granting a subsidy under the that it contained an account of al description of a loan. In one point he beautiful ladies of St. Petersburgh was perfectly ready to agree with the that it was a letter facetious and enter right hon. gent. that it would be highly ing? He could say no such thir improper, that any communication should | Would the noble lord stand up anı be made which could at all go to affect that it was a private correspondence b any districts, the inhabitants of which individual, not connected with the k were now subject to the emperor of the service, to another individual not con French. He was certain his hon. friend ed with-the king's service, and on a su would agree with him in thinking, that not connected with the king's service nothing could be so wrong as to put the contrary, would be not say, that it the French in possession of any informa- tained communications from the em tion which could enable them to wreak of Russia on the subject of his medi: their vengeance on persons in this unfor- | between this country and France ? tunate predicament. But, the right hon. the letter was addressed to the right gent. said the communications made by gent. was of little consequence, its the emperor
of Russia to lord Hutchinson tents must shew whether it was in its cannot be produced, because they are ture public or private. He should verbal. He believed there never was an pose that the right hon. gent. were t instance of a crowned head making any impeached for neglecting a favour other 'but verbal communications to those opportunity of concluding a peace, who were in his conficience. Did the that he should say he was indeed perfe
aware of the fact, but that he did not chusetion of the house on nothing-a subject on to treat because the communication which which, however, the right hon. gent. could had been made to him was of a private display his abilities : he, unfortunately, nature, to which he did not think himself never found himself so much at home. entitled in his public capacity to attend. -The first motion was then agreed to. Would that be esteemed a sufficient vin Mr. Whitbread begged leave to alter his dication of his conduct? Would it not be second motion, by substituting the Subsaid to him, ' It is not sufficient for you to stance' for • a Copy of the communicaallege that the information you had was tion from lord Hutchinson. private ; you knew well it was authen Mr. Secretary Canning opposed the motic? If lord H. was once the confidential tion in its amended from, because the subagent of this country, and the emperor stitution of the word substance' for copy;' chose to send for him, and communicate in no way changed the merits of the queshis intentions to him, was it not the same tion. He begged to be understood as as if he had done so to the accredited agent putting the individual merits of lord of this country for the time, and he had Hutchinson wholly aside. He professed again made the communication to our am to have a high respect for the character of bassador? Was not lord H. to be entitled that noble person, but contended that the to the same degree of belief as if he had question ought to be discussed without been the accredited agent of this country? any regard whatever to his character. Had the letter been in a different form, When a person was delegated' by the still it could have contained no more than crown to represent it at a foreign court, he it now did ; and if these contents. were conceived it to be invariably meant, that important, there was no reason why the the interests of the country were confided form of the letter should prevent the sub- solely to this individual, and that all comstance of it from coming before the house. munications of a public nature, in as far The house had a right to know what it as they tended to influence the conduct of contained. As to the other papers. con the government at home, ought to come nected with this subject, to the production through this channel. If it should be arof which the right hon. gent. said he had gued, that the communication, for the prono objection, what would they enable the duction of which the hon. gent. had now house to do, farther than just to form a moved, came through this channel, still conjecture of the tone, frame, and temper he would maintain, that an ambassador at of mind which actuated the emperor a foreign court had a discretionary power of Russia in the mediation in question, as of judging what communications he should to which the letter alluded' to would have transmit to his government in a public afforded a complete proof? The right hon. and official shape, and what he might gent. refused to the house the thing itself, think proper to make in a private and but he granted them something else, confidential manner. To the latter of which would enable them to form a con these descriptions, the communication aljecture as to what was refused them. luded to by the hon. gent. belonged; and
Mr. Secretary Canning rose to state his on that account he did not judge it a fit regret that the right hon. gent. who had paper to be produced. If the hon. gent. last addressed the house, should have imagined that this was the only instance in shewn himself totally ignorant of the ques- which- accounts of conversations which tion before the house. He had discus-certain individuals had held with the emsed the propriety of giving all the informa- peror of Russia, and of which his majesty's tion required, while the question now be government were in possession, he was fore the house was, the propriety of grant
under a great mistake. He was in possesing information on the proposed Media sion of minutes of conversations which other tion of Austria alone.
persons, for whom he had as much respect Mr. Adam called the right hon. secre as for the noble lord, had held with that tary to order ; but, at the reinonstrance sovereign, and the purport of which was of the Speaker, sat down.
certainly very different (a cry of hear! Mr. Ponsonby said, he had only taken hear! from the opposition bench). The the right hon. gent. at his word. The hon. gent. might refuse to rely on such right hon. secretary had said, nothing conversations; but he was equally entitled could be given of information to the house to refuse his confidence in that in which on the subject of Austria; he was, there- they trusted; and the simple fact was, that fore, disinclined to attempt to fix the atten- his majesty's government did not find it
self, under all the circumstances, warrant- | table, that he had applied the word cross, ed in changing the line of policy which not to feelings, but to correspondence]; they had alopted, and were determined well, said Mr. P. a misunderstanding to pursue, in consequence of lord H.'s between two noble persons. This, he communication. lle deprecated extreme was sure, was an insinuation to which the ly the present motion, not only because house would not listen for a moment. But, it was calculated for the invidious purpose was the right hon. gent. serious when he of creating misunderstandings, but because taiked of putting aside the character of he conscientiously believed that if the lord Ilutchinson, and if he did this because present motion was agreed to, it would it happened to suit his purpose, did he countenance the idea that if any British suppose that he would acquiesce in the traveller (loud cries of hear! hear!) hap- attempt so to do? For this he must have pened accidentally, from afiability of man- the consent of two parties, and certainly ners, or any other cause, to recommend | he never would have his. He might wave himself at a foreign court, so as to have the consideration of the noble lord's chafrequent opportunities of communicating racter for himself, but he should not do so in private with the prince, he might in- for him.' Nor would he admit the puerile stitute a cross correspondence, calculated comparison which he had thought proper to shake the confidence of the government to in titute between that noble person, of his own country in the communications and any young man who might be abroad which it received frem its own accredited on his travels. The communication now agent. He might, for example, put'a pos- moved for, was considered of sufficient imsille case, which he stated simply as pos- portance to be transmitted by his inajesty's sible, from having read the history of for- ambassador to his government, and as it mer times-should a young man (he would was necessary to enable the house to not say connected with any party, for judge of the conduct of government, he parties were not supposed to exist), but could not see upon what grounds it could should a young man while abroad on his be reasonably withheld. traveis, happen, accidentally, to go to a Dr. Laurence expressed his surprize, that foreign court while an important and deli- the right hon. gent. should have repre-' cate negociation was pending between that sented the motion of his hon. friend, as court and his own, should he insinuate male for the invidious
of creating himself into the confidence of that court, misunderstanding, at the same time that anil in his communications wiih his friends he himself introduced an allusion into his at home, give information directly the re- speech to an affair which had happened verse of that transınitted by the king's many years ago, at which time inquiry was plenipotentiary, and by these means per- challenged into all the circumstances, and plex the councils of ministers, and intro- in which a gentleman was implicated, who duce confusion into the measures of go- since that time had held an official situavernment,-it would be a natural effect of tion under his majesty's government, and that principle for which the hon. gent from whom the right hon. gent. himself, contende:l in his present motion. It would, he believed, could not withhold the tribute he contended, be recurring to the system of his approbation. At the very time too, of double diplomacy, which had been that he professed to discuss the question acted upon in the reign of 'Louis XIV. upon its general merits, he had substituted when some young man was generally sent for the character of lord Hutchinson, that along with the accredited representative of a young man who was a creation of his of the sovereign to foreign courts, who own fancy. If the right hon. gent.'s arinsinuated himself into the confidence of gument had any meaning at all, it was an the prince, the minister, or the mistress of attempt to quibble away the constitution the minister, and who was employed as a of his country; for he maintained, that-if check upon the correspondence of the am- his doctrine of the obligation of secrecy bassador, a system, which he was con was admitted to its full extent it would be vinced the house would not be of opinion in the power of any minister, by a private as proper to adopt, in conducting the affairs understanding with a foreign agent, to of this country
keep the public completely in the dark Mr. Ponsonby replied, that the right hon. respecting the whole foreign relations of gent. had alledged, that the motion of his the empire. It would be sufficient for a hen. friend was calculated to produce foreign minister, in corresponding with the cross feelings (Mr. Canning said across the secretary of state, merely to begin his
dispatch with · dear sir,' or dear Can- | to individuals. The right hon. gent. had ning,' entirely to defeat all inquiry. He talked a good deal on the confusion that contended, that there was no analogy would arise in the public business, from whatever between the case in question, the consequences of a double diplomacy; and the double diplomacy of Louis XIV. and had taken great pains to impress upon because the communication to which it the house the meaning of cross-dispatches, referred was transmitted by the accredited by the pantomimical gesture of crossing his agent of government; and he put the fingers-(a laagh). He was resolved, it right hon. gent. in mind, that it was only appeared, to take his stand by the acnow called for in consequence of the sys- credited, and the accredited only. He tem of misrepresentation, which he had would not look at lord Hutchinson, but been the first to introduce into debate by the general principle; and in the same reading partial extracts from documents, breath, the right honourable secretary, for the purpose of giving more effect to a spoke of English travellers passing through brilliant speech.
any continental court, &c. How was he Sir T. Turton contended that all prece- to understand the right honourable secredents were against the production of papers tary? Did he mean to say, that lord H. relating to confidential conversations with was merely in an ordinary character? Was sovereigns. He commended the resistance his lordship to be considered merely as made by the secretary of state in the pre one of the heedless, gay, young travellers sent instance. It was only by a reserve of that occasionally sojourn at a continental this kind that the dispositions of sovereigns court; whose intelligence must have been as and their ministers, to hold confidential unimportant as his observations were sucommunications with us, could be pre- perficial ? It was not a trifling familiar served. He was ready to vote for the pro- communication of courtscandal from any of duction of all papers necessary to the justi- the buffoons or parasites that flutter about fication of the late ministers, from the the person of the minister, the mistress, or charges preferred against them throughout the crowned head, that was demanded. the country:
But he would not consent to What he asked for was the intormation the production of any papers, not in them which the right hon. gent. in his capacity selves
proper to be produced and called for, as foreign minister, received from our aconly from mere party motives. He pro-credited minister at the court of Russia, fessed a great personal esteem for the noble Id. G. L. Gower. And what was the avowlord, who was particularly interested in ed source of that information communithe production of the paper principally al- cated by the noble lord, to the right hon. luded to, and he therefore lamented the gent.? No less a source than lord Hutchmore, that the noble lord had disclosed as inson, who had at that time but just ceased much as he had done.
to be an accredited minister himself. Mr. Whitbread hoped, notwithstanding What had been the character of lord H.'s the general cry of question, that tbe house mission ? Had he not the confidence of would permit him to make one or two ob- the Prussian court to such a degree, that servations, in reply to what had fallen he felt himself warranted in advancing on from the other side. The right hon. secre- the part of this country, 30,0001. for the tary, with his usual ingenuity, had con immediate service of the Russian army? trived to favour the house with two speeches And yet they were to be told, that his upon the same subject; but had, whether lordship was to be lovoked upon, in disfrom design, or inadvertency, wholly de- cussing the present question, merely in parted in his second speech from the line the light of an ordinary English traveller; of argument adopted in his first; at one if so, he would ask the noble lord why hé time a paper called for was objected to as thought it expedient to lay such stress unotlicial; and at another, the substance upon the communication made to him by of that paper was refused, because the lord H. as to forward it with his other source of the intelligence was not at that dispatches to the foreign minister of this time duly accredited. The right hon. country? If he did not so forward it on gent. set out with requiring to be under account of the individual, he must have stood as speaking to the general principle, forwarded it from a just consideration of and then proceeded to state the parti- its importance. But this importance was cular case of Mr. Adair. This was cer-coupled with no necessity of secrecy, or taily a very curious way of speaking to mysterious apprehension of disclosure : a general principle, without any reference and why not, then, give it to the house and