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Mr. Secretary Canning stated, that he | the supply, there be laid on the exportaalso had received a letter upon this subject, tion of all salt to the continent of Europe, which he had transmitted to his noble a duty of 9d. per bushel ; and on the exfriend the secretary for the home depart- portation of all salt to distant parts in the ment.
world (with the exception of British coloM. Sheridan wished to know the dis- nies) a duty of 3d a bushel.'-A convessatinction taken in this case between an offi- tion ensued, in which Mr. Ponsonby and cial and unofficial form of communica- lord H. Petty disputed the expediency of tion. The individuals concerned could these propositions. The Chancellor of make the communication, as it appeared the Exchequer and Mr. Huskisson mainfrom all that had been said, only as pri- tained the expediency of them. On the yate persons.
latter proposition Mr. Davenport and · The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, that gen. Gascoyne recommended caution and when a communication was marked pri- deliberation. Mr. Baring was apprehenvate, no disclosure could with propriety sive that these duties on salt would act as be made of its contents, nor of the name of protecting duties on the salt of American its author, nor could it in any way be used manufacture, and that when we had once as a public document.
lost the market for that article, we should Mr. Sheridan said there must have been be unable to regain it.-In answer to a some mistake on this head, as such privacy question from lord H. Petty, the Chancelcould never have been intended by those lor of the Exchequer staied, that he meant who put themselves so pubiickly forward the duty also to apply to the exportation in this and in other places, to correct the of salt from the Bahamas to America. grievance.
The Resolutions were then agreed to. Mr. Mellish said a few words in vindi- ORDERS IN Council Bill.] The Chancellor cation of Mr. Mainwaring, who had, in of the Exchequer stated, that in consequence conformity with his duty, referred this of an amendment which he intended to inmatter to the magistrates.-The Petition troduce into the Orders in Council bill, was then ordered to lie on the table. he should propose that the bill should that
EXPORTATION OF Cotton.] The house night go through a committee, pro forma ; resolved itself into a committee of ways that the report should be received on Monand means, Mr. Wharton in the chair. day, and that on Tuesday a recommit
The Chancellor of the Exchequer proposed ment should take place, when the bill might to lay the same duty on the exportation from be discussed. this country of cotton wool, the produce of Mr. Ponsonby expressed his satisfaction British colonies, as now existed on the ex- that the right hon. gent. had changed his portation from this country of cotton wool, opinion on the subject since 3 o'clock on the produce of any other part of the world. that morning. His objection, however, to His object in proposing this was, not for the principle of the bill was so strong, that the purpose of raising a revenue, but to he could not allow the Speaker to leave the effect a prohibition in the only way it chair without taking the sense of the house could be effected. He had, therefore, upon it. calculated the duty so as to be just under The Chancellor of the E.rchequer said it the amount of the insurance which mer was not his intention to protract the dischants would pay for the risk, if the arti-cussion of this measure. He was not until cle were prohibited. He therefore moved, this day aware, that alterations were ne• That towards raising the supply there be cessary. If the right hon. gent. had a delaid on every pound of Cotton Wool ex sire to take the sense of the house he might. ported from this country, being the pro-It appeared to him, that the reason for duce of British colonies, the duty of nine-taking the sense of the house' upon the pence.”—The article of salt was in great present occasion might be, that the right demand in the north of Europe, where it hon. gent. looking at the strength of the could not be dispensed-with. By the mea- house might think, from the thinness of sures of the enemy the exportation from what were called the ministerial benches, this country would be increased, rather that he was sure of a triumph. than obstructed, for those measures em Mr. Ponsonby explained, and denied any powered the country by the law of retalia- such motive. tion, to prevent the continent from getting Mr. H. Martin thought the measure was salt any where but from G. Britain. He one of such paramount delinquency, that therefore moved, • That towards raising every opportunity should be taken to exVol. X
pose its injustice. He was surprised at the Matthew Russell, the rev. John Buller, insinuation thrown out by the right hon. clerk, John Evans, gent. John Stephens the chancellor of the Exchequer against Croft, and Isaac Toby, delivered in a his right hon. friend, who he knew was statement as follows: · The petitioners incapable of the motive attributed to him. contend, that the Right of Election of He was satisfied the right hon. gent. could members to serve in parliament for the mnárshal his troops with much more celeri-borough of Saltash, is in every person ty than could be effected on his side the seised of an estate for life, or some greater house. A division then took place, when estate, in an entire ancient burgage tenethere appeared,
ment, situate in the borough aforesaid, For the postponement
118 • whereon an ancient dwelling house now Against it,
32 • stands or formerly stood, and in no other Majority
-86 persons.' —That the counsel for the petiWhen strangers were re-admitted, we tioners W. Henry Fremantle and Tho. found the chancellor of the Exchequer on Francis Fremantle, esquires, delivered in a his legs, assuring the right hon. gent. (Mr. statement as follows: That the Right of Ponsonby) that the division had convinced · Election for members to serve in parlia. him, that he was mistaken in the insinua- ment for the borough of Saltash is in the tion he had previously made, with respect mayor and fi'ee burgesses of the said to any wish of taking an unfair advantage. borough, being members of the corpora
«tion within the same, and in no other per
• sons:'-That upon thestatement delivered HOUSE OF COMMONS.
in by the counsel for the petitioners, the Monday Feb. 22.
said W. Henry Fremantle and Tho. Fran[MINUTES.] Col. Stanley brought up cis Fremantle, esquires, the said committhe report of the Evesham Committee. The tee have determined; “ That the Right of report stated that the sitting member, sir Election, as set forth in the said Statements M. Lopez, bart, was not duly elected, and is not the right of election for the said boought not to have been returned; that the rough of Saltash:” That upon the statepetioner, H. Howorth, esq. was duly elect- ment delivered in by the counsel for the ed, and ought to have been returned; and Petitioners James Buller, esq. and others that the opposition of the said sir M. the said committee have determined ; Lopez, bart. to the petition of the said H. “ That the Right of Election, as set forth Howorth, esq. was not frivolous or vexa in the said Statement, is the right of eleca tious.
tion for the said borough of Saltash, so far (SALTASR Right OF ELECTION.) Order as the said right is therein described:” ed, That Mr. Wharton do 'make the Re- That the said committee having duly conport from the select committee appointed sidered the said statements, and the evi. to try and determine the merits of the Pe- dence adduced before them, touching the tion of James Buller, esq. Arthur Cham-right of election for the said borough of pernowne, esq. Matthew Russell, esq. the Saltash, have determined; « That the
Jokin Buller, clerk, John Evans, gent. Right of voting for members to serve in John Stephens Croft, and Isaac Toby, each parliament for the borough of Saltash is of whom are seised of an entire ancient in every person seised of an estate for life, Burgage Tenement, situate within the Bo
or some greater' estate, in an entire antient rough of Saltash, whereon an ancient dwell- burgage tenement, situate in the borough ing house now stands or forinerly stood; and aforesaid, whereon an antient dwelling also of the Petition of W. Henry Fremantle house now stands or formerly stood, and in and Tho. Francis Fremantle, esquires, re no other persons.” And the said determispecting the Right of Election for the said nations were ordered to be entered in the borough.-Mr. Wharton accordingly from Journals of the house. the said committee in forined the house, Petition FROM BOLTON. 'FOR PEACE.] That the said committee required the Col. Stanley presented a Petition from the counsel for the several parties to deliver inhabitants of Bolton in Lancaster, setting to the clerk of the said committee state- forth, “That the petitioners suffer great ments, in writing, of the Right of Elec-privations on account of the depressed tion for which they respectively con state of the manufactures, whereby the tended: That, in consequence thereof, price of labour is reduced in the most una the counsel for the Petitioners James precedented degree, and thousands of the Baller, esq. Arthur Champetowne, esq. petitioners threatened with the want of
employment: that, in the judgment of the of which they complain, the mode of obpetitioners, the great suspension of cointaining that cure which they have adopted. merce arişes chiefly from a want of the must necessarily retard its acquisition. customary intercourse with the continent While I allow that it is perfectly natural of Europe; and that the depressed reduc- for the petitioners, experiencing the prition of trade reduces thousands of the pe- vations which they do experience, to look titioners to the most extreme -distress : 1 eagerly to any remedy that appears to that many useful enterprising and inge- promise them relief, yet, on the part of nious manufacturers, have been reduced those who ought to take a more extensive from afluence to complete poverty, the view of the subject, I must deprecate any consequence of which is, that number of accusation of hardness of heart, if they de the petitioners have been reduced to the clare their firm opinion, that, should they absolute want of the necessaries of life for be driven to a negociation under circumthemselves and helpless offspring; and that stances in which they must fiel tettered the present situation of affairs still threat and embarrassed, such would unquestion, ens the petitioners with additional sutler- ably not be the inode of obtainmg the obings to those they now experience : that, ject prayed for by the petitioners ; namely, in the opinion of the petitioners, the pre a peace, consistent with the security and sent evils under which they so severely honour of the country. In expressing suffer, are owing to the continuation of the these sentiments, sir, I am sure I speak present war, which causes the extensive those of my colleagues. We are anxious depression of foreign commerce, which to avail ourselves of the best means to acthe petitioners humbly presume can only be complish this desirable end. Our duty restored by the blessings of Peace: that the and our interest unite to induce us, if poss petitioners are not induced to petition the sible, to obtain a peace consistent with the house on the subject of Peace from any securiiy and honour of the country. We dread of the enemy, but from a desire that have missed no fair opportunity for that no opportunity may be omitted to enter into purpose. Sir, I am anxious to repeat, that negociations for that purpose; and that we feel most strongly the distress of tha the petitioners, should the enemy, from situation from which the petitioners wish ambitious motives, be induced to make to be relieved; but we are bound to ad, demands inconsistent with our national vise his majesty conscientiously to the best honour and independence to grant, will of our judgment, and we are satisfied that, ever feel it to be their duty, with one by a premature negociation, or one come heart and mind, to think no sacrifices or menced on any grounds but those of perprivations too great when made for the fect equality and independence, not only honour and security of their king and would the object of the petitioners fail of country; and therefore praying, that the being realized, but any subsequent hopes house would, in its great wisdom, recom which they might be led to entertain mend to his majesty, that no means be would be disappointed, in a manner the omitted, consistent with our national ho- most injurious to them, and to the country nour and security, for restoring to his faith- at large.”—The Petition was then ordered ful subjects the blessings of Peace.”--On to lie on the table. the motion, that the Petition do lie on the [TREATY WITH Sweden.] Mr. Ponsonby table,
observed, that on the first day of the sesMr. Secretary Canning said, "Sir, I do sion he had noticed a passage relating to not rise to object to the motion, satisfied as Sweden, in the Speech of the lords comI am of the propriety of the terms in missioners, and having inquired of the right yhich the petitioners have claimed the hon. secretary, whether by that passage it attention of the house to a subject so was implied, that the house should make highly interesting to the whole country; good a subsidiary treaty with Sweden, the although I cannot but, at the same time, right hon. gent. had replied, that he exfeel that it is a subject which must always pected shortiy to have his majesty's combe in the contemplation of this house, and mands to lay on the table of that house, a of those whose duty it is to advise his ma-. subsidiary treaty with Sweden. Above a jesty. I trust, sir, I shall not be considered month had elapsed, but no such treaty bad as deficient in feeling for the situation of been produced, although it was rumoured, the petitioners, if I express my sincere on what authority he knew not, that a conopinion and conviction, that even were siderable sum of money had actually been peace to be the immediate cure of the evils sent from G. Britain to that country. He
wished to know whether any money had | in this instance was, that it might ultibeen so transmitted? and if it had, whe- mately be the means of introducing other ther it was under the conditions of a treaty articles into the continent. He moved, subsisting prior to the observation in the that the house should go into a committee speech, or in consequence of the conclu- to consider of the prohibition of the exsion of a more recent treaty?
portation of Cotton Wool and Jesuit's Bark. Mr. Secretary Canning replied, that the — The Speaker left the chair. The resolureason why the passage in his majesty's tions were put and agreed to; the report speech had not been followed up by the received; and bills ordered. presentation of the treaty was simply this: [ORDERS IN COUNcrl Bill.] The report until within these few days there had been of the Orders in Council bill was brought no arrivals from the continent. No less up. than eight or ten Gottenburgh mails had Mr. Tierney objected to the bill on the become due. Within these few days, how- ground of informality. This was a bill not ever, dispatches had been received from only for imposing duties, but for the rethe British ambassador at Stockholın, stat- gulation of trade. But it was provided by ing that the Treaty with Sweden had been a standing order of the house, founded actually signed. His majesty's govern- upon that of 1703; that no bill for the regument were in daily expectation of receiv-, lation of trade should orginate, except in a ing it, and within as short a period as pos- committee of the whole house, called a sible after the arrival of the treaty, he Committee for the Protection of Trade and should feel it to be his duty to bring it Navigation. That part of the bill which down to the house. It was unquestionably went to the regulation of trade, ought true, that a sum of money had been sent therefore, in his opinion, to have origito Sweden, not in pursuance of any prior nated in such a committee. He had treaty concluded with that country, but looked for precedents, and found one in the contemplation of the treaty that exactly in point in the Convoy Duty act. had recently been signed.
The course which had been pursued by [EXPORTATION OF COTTON WOOL AND the right hon. gent. opposite (Mr. Rose) JESUITS BARK.] The Chancellor of the Er- in that instance was this—that part which chequer stated, that he understood, by re was matter of commercial regulation was presentations from various quarters, that referred to a committee of trade ; that it would be more acceptable to have a di- which regarded the duties was referred to rect prohibition of the exportation of cer a committee of ways and means.
The retain articles, the produce of neutral states solution of the ways and means was first as well as of this country, which it was in reported and a bill ordered. : The other tended to have prohibited by duty. The resolution was then reported, and an inmode of prohibition under the Orders in struction given to those appointed to bring Council was certainly generally intended in the Duties bill to make provision purto be that of imposing duties. However, suant to that resolution. The present was as a direct prohibition of the exportation a bill precisely of the same nature, and the from this country of such articles as were same course ought to have been pursued. produced by America as well as our own The right hon. gent. opposite (Foster) was colonies appeared to be considered the to move resolutions of the same sort with preferable mode, he should adopt it. He respect to Ireland; and he would ask bim, would, therefore, move for leave to bring whether he would not feel it his duty to in a Bill to prohibit the exportation of adopt the course which he had described? Cotton Wool and Jesuits Bark; with a The Chancellor of the Exchequer replied, proviso, however, that licences might be that all that was required by the Standing granted in certain cases for such exporta- Order of 1772, which had taken place of tion. As to the prohibition of the expor- that of 1703, was that any regulation as to tation of Bark, he was led to it by the in- trade should originate in a committee of formation that the severest pressure was the whole house, and a committee of ways already felt on the continent from the and means was such. But, besides this, want of that article. It was of great im- there was a clear difference between the portance to the armies of the
enemy. He Convoy Duty act and the present bill. understood that at Paris it had risen from There the alteration in the trade was the 108. to 70s. per pound, and that attempts work of the legislature : here it was the had been made to procure it in spite of all work of the king, and to make the alterobstacles. The object of the prohibition ation, he contended the king was fully
competent. All that the legislature had The Chancellor of the Exchequer admitted, to do with it was to impose the duty, and that there was something in the argument for that the committee of ways and means respecting forfeitures. He would therewas the proper place.
fore not object to the dividing of the bill Mr. Tierney mentioned some of the when it came to the committee.—The reclauses which went to make new regula- port was then received, and the bill ortions in trade, and touched incidentally up- dered to be re-committed on Wednesday; on the pernicious custom the house was and, on the motion of Mr. Tierney, it was getting into, of overlooking the principle agreed, that there should be an instruction of confining the ways and means within to the committee to divide the bill if it the limits of the supplies. The words of thought fit. He also gave notice, that he the Property Tax act placed the proceeds would then move for the reference of the from time to time in the hands of ministers, matter of regulation to a committee of so that they might have the supplies under trade. that act without any committee of ways (Great Grimsby Election.] Mr. Horand means at all. The war-tax act placed ner rose to move that the order for taking some millions in the hands of ministers into consideration the Petition complainbeyond the estimated supplies. On the ing of the undue election for the borough principle he had stated, he strongly ob- of Great Grimsby, should be discharged. jected to the bill going forward without The grounds upon which his motion rested an estimate of the expected amount of were, that the standing order of the house the duties imposed. Returning to the es- had not been complied with by the petisential ground of his objection, he said, tioner in the last session; that order rethat the king might regulate the mode in quiring that the petitioner should give in which ships were to come to England, a statement of his qualification within 15 but he could not regulate the mode of days after notice to that effect had been their going out. There was also a clause served upon him, subsequent to the pre, for remitting forfeitures which could not senting his petition. Such notice had been be regulated by the crown. The bill, there- given to the petitioner last session, but no fore, ought to be divided in order to pro- qualification had been accordingly given ceed in the proper way.
in; and thus the qualification had, within Mr. Rose said, that there was a radical the regular time after the renewal of the difference between the case of the Convoy petition in the present session, been reDuty bill and the present. There a dis turned to the house, in the absence of any tinct alteration in trade was made by the precedent, since the enactment of the legislature, here it was made by the crown. Grenville act, that the house should be The regulations in the bill were minute governed by the analogy of its practice, points, and it was customary in the com antecedent to the passing of that act, which mittee of ways and means to allow such would be fatal to the claim of the petitioner regulations as were not essential, in addi- to be heard. He therefore moved that the tion to the duties.
order be discharged. The Speaker stated, that it was customary The Solicitor General stated, that he in the committee of ways and means to agreed with the learned gent. as to the interfere in regulations respecting trade, practice of the house antecedent to the such as in the instance of the expiring passing of the 10th of the king, the Grenlaws. Though the committee of ways and ville act. . But he contended, since the means was the only place for duties, yet, enactment of that statute, which transferred since 1772, the house had been in the all jurisdiction on matters of controverted habit of admitting there of certain minute election from the house to the committees regulations closely connected with these chosen under it, it was not competent to duties. Unless they were thus connected, the house to discharge any order for a the house would order a separate bill, ori- committee to determine the merits of an ginating in another committee. This was election, in any other manner than as prethe principle, the house would apply it'as scribed by the act. The whole jurisdicit thought fit.
tion rested with the committee, which Mr. Tierney said, that the question was, alone was to decide upon the question rewhether the regulations in question were specting the qualification, and therefore such as the Speaker had said might be the house could not have power to dis, adopted in the committee of ways and charge the order pursuant to the motion of means, along with the duties?
the hon. gent. After a few words from