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and under that pretext exclude our mer Jesuits Bark. If he had been in the chandize from the accustomed marts in house at the time he should hare resisted their territory; that the petitioners con- the passing of that resolution. He now ceive something ought to be done to con- begged the right hon. the chancellor of vince the world that we cherish the idea the exchequer to inform him when the of perpetual war as little as any other na bill was likely to be introduced ; at the tion, when peace can be had with honour same time he thought it right to state, that and safety, and that the most effectual way he should most decidedly oppose a meaof answering such allegations would be to sure which went to carry into effect that enter into Negociations for Peace; that most detestable species of warfare. the petitioners deprecate the very idea of The Chancellor of the Exchequer said that perpetual war being entertained for a the bill would most probably be introducmoment by any order of men in this king-ed to-morrow. dom; and they conceive that a protracted one can be attended with no advantage to the interests of this country, as the destiny
HOUSE OF COMMONS. of Europe seems fixed beyond the power
Wednesday, February 24. of us to alter; and the petitioners think it African COMPANY's Petition.) Genéincumbent on them to state, that the un ral Gascoyne presented a Petition from certainty whether the relations of amity the Committee of the Company of Mercould be maintained between our govern- chants trading to Africa, setting forth, ment and that 'of the united states of " That the Petitioners have laid before the America has contributed no little to in- house, an Account of the money granted crease the difficulties of our situation, and, to them for the year 1806, examined and in the event of a rupture between the two passed by the cursitor baron of the exchecountries, in the present confined state of quer, as required by an act of the 23d of our cominerce in Europe, certain ruin will his late majesty; and that, for the purpose be the consequence to a great number of of enabling the petitioners to maintain the the petitioners; and therefore praying, British forts and settlements on the said that the house will be pleased to present coast, parliament has been pleased, for an address to his majesty, advising him to several years past, to grant the sum of enter into such arrangements for the im- 15,0001. for the support of the said estamediate restoration of Peace, as the urgency blishments, which sum has been invested of the case seems to require; but the peti, for that purpose by the petitioners; and tioners do not request that the honour and that the petitioners, being sensible of the security of the nation should be sacrificed great regard shewn by the house for the to obtain for them a temporary relief preservation of the British forts and setfrom their sufferings; on the contrary, tlements on the coast of Africa, humbly should our enemies, from any unjustifiable solicit that the house will take the premises motives, be induced to make demands in- into consideration, and grant to the peticonsistent with either, the petitioners will tioners the like sum of 19,0001! for the not repine at any privations they may en- maintenance and support of the said forts dure till the contest can be brought to an and settlements for the present year; and honourable issue; but they have the satis- the petitioners beg further to submit to the faction to think there will be few obstacles house, that, during the continuance of the in the way of peace, from the Declaration Slave Trade, the committee were enabled of his majesty, that the late negotiations to procure competent persons, willing to broke off' upon points not immediately encounter the climate of Africa, at salaries affecting the interests of his Britannick greatly inadequate to the service, by reamajesty, but those of his Imperial ally; son of the commercial advantages which in humble confidence the petitioners sub- they derived from a constant and extenmit the matter to the wisdom of the house, sive intercourse with vessels trading in not doubting but the important object of slaves ; but this commerce being now the petition will receive their candid con- abolished, the committee apprehend that sideration."-Ordered to lie upon the their servants, rendered incapable of suptable.
porting themselves upon their salaries JESUITS BARK Bill.] Mr. Whitbrend ob- only, will no longer have sufficient inserved, that a Resolution had been passed ducements to remain in Africa, unless such the other night, upon which a Bill was to addition should be made thereto as may be founded, to prevent the exportation of be reasonable and just; and therefore
praying, that the house will be pleased to to sea by the retreat of the blockading grant to the petitioners, in addition to the force. Though the sailing of the Roche16,000l. for the maintenance and support fort squadron would, he hoped, be the of the said forts and settlements for the means of adding new glory to the triumphs present year, such further sum as may of the British navy, still he was sure that appear to the house to be sufficient to en- every one who heard him would agree, that able them to augment the salaries of their if the blockade had been raised from any servants in Africa as before mentioned.” neglect in supplying the squadron under Ordered to lie upon the table.
sir John Duckworth, that neglect was exKing's MESSAGE RESPECTING AN ANNU- tremely criminal. ITY TO THE FAMILY OF THE LATE LORD The Chancellor of the Exchequer had no Laxe. Lord Castlereagh presented a information of the fact alluded to by the Message from his majesty, which was read hon. gent. If the hon. gent. wished for by the Speaker, as follows;
any information on the subject, or had re« G. R. His majesty having taken in-ceived any that he conceived it right to to his royal consideration the splendid authenticate, his object would be best anachievements and eminent services per- swered by making a motion, of which he formed by the late general viscount Lake might now give notice. All he could on the continent of Europe, and in the now say, in answer to the argumentative East Indies, and being desirous to confer | statements and questions of the bon. gent. some signal mark of his favour upon his was, that he was not aware of any such family, in order to enable them to support fact as that alluded to by the hon. gent. the dignity of the title conferred upon Mr. Calcraft said, he certainly bad rehim; and for this purpose to give and ceived some information which had led grant to his eldest son the present viscount him to put the questions he had addressed Lake, and to the two next surviving heirs to the hon. gent. He gave notice that he male of the body of the deceased, to would on Thursday se'nnight submit a whom the title of viscount Lake and baron motion, with a view to ascertain the state Lake of Delhi and Laswary, and of Aston of the approvisionment of sir R. Strachan's Clinton, in the county of Buckingham, squadron. shall descend, an annuity of 2000l. per [DISTILLATION FROM SUGAR.) The Chanannum, recommends it to his faithful com-cellor of the Exchequer rose, in consequence mons to consider of a proper method of en- of the notice which he had given, to move abling his majesty to grant the same, and that a Committee should be appointed of extending, securing, and settling such to inquire into the best mode of grantannuity upon the said viscount Lake, and ing relief to those engaged in the West on the two next succeeding heirs on whom India trade; and in directing the serithe title of viscount Lake and baron Lake ous attention of the house to a subject of Delhi and Laswary, and of Aston Clin-, which the whole house, he was convinced, ton, in the county of Buckingham, shall would agree with him in thinking wordescend, in such manner as shall be thought thy of the earliest inquiry, he did not most effectual for the said viscount Lake, think it necessary to use any arguments to and the two next male heirs to the title." press it upon their notice. Every gentle
-Resolved, That this house will, upon man, he was persuaded, would be of one Friday next, resolve itself into a commit- opinion as to the propriety of obtaining all tee of the whole house, to take his ma the information that could be collected jesty's said most gracious Message into upon the subject,in order that this informaconsideration.
tion might be followed up by the remedy SIR RIOWARD STRACHAN's SQUADRON.] which might appear to be most applicable Mr. Calcraft wished to know from his ma to the circumstances of those immediately jesty's ministers, how far there was any interested in obtaining relief. The first foundation for the rumours so painful to the idea that had suggested itself was, extendpublic feelings, upon that most important ing the internal consumption of the staple branch of the public service, which were article of West India produce, by render, , lately in circulation. He alluded to the ing it applicable to our home Distilleries. rumours of sir R. Strachan having been The select committee, which had already obliged to quit his station off' Rochefort, been appointed to inquire into the causes in consequence of being short of provi- of the present embarrassments of the plantsions, and the concomitant report that the ers, had not, it was true, in their report French squadron had been enabled to put been very favourable to the opinion, that
much relief could be obtained by these of the house, and it was left wholly in the means, but he was not without hope that dark, both respecting the grounds upon it would be found on farther inquiry, that which the Orders had been issued, and the a measure might be so framed as materially effects which were likely to result from to contribute to the object which he had them. The right hon. chancellor of the in view. He thought, therefore, that a exchequer had thought it was sufficient to Committee should be again appointed, to bring them forward in a Committee of inquire how far it might be proper to pro- Ways and Means, where it was impossible hibit Distillation from any other articles to institute any discussion, either upon than sugar and molassess, and whether their principle or tendency, and where such a regulation should be extended to they could be regularly considered only England, Scotland, and Ireland, or to Eng- as a measure of finance. In this committee land only. But though this was the first it was impossible to discuss either their question to which the committee ought to legality or their policy, or the preamble direct their inquiries, there were others to of the bill. In every measure like the prewhich they might afterwards point their sent, it had been the constant practice to attention for the accomplishment of the submit the grounds of the measure to a great object. He concluded with moving Committee. In the American Commer“ That a Committee be appointed to in- cial bill this course had been pursued, and quire and report how far, and under what likewise in the case of the Bank Restriction circumstances, it may be practicable and bill a secret committee had been appointexpedient to confine the Distilleries of ed to inquire into the general state of its the united kingdom, or of any part of affairs, in short, this had been the uniform the united kingdom, to the use of sugar practice in matters of great magnitude and and molassess only; and also what other importance, connected either with comprovision can be made for the relief of the
merce or finance. He disclaimed all growers of sugar in the British West India intention or wish, by the present mocolonies, and to report the same, with their tion, to produce any unnecessary delay; observations and opinion thereupon, from but, conceiving the question involved in time to time, to the house." The motion the Orders in Council to be of vital imwas carried unanimously, and a select portance to the prosperity, and even to Committee appointed.
the existence of the country, it was maCOMMITTEE ON TRADE AND Navigation.] terial, surely, that the house should know Mr. Tierney rose to move that the house what it was about before it decided upshould resolve itself into a Committee of on them. He was ready to admit, for the whole house upon the Trade and Na- the sake of argument, that it was compevigation of the country, or, if a select com- tent for the king's prerogative to have mittee was thought preferable, he should issued the Orders in Council; he would have no objection that that course should admit, for the sake of argument, that they be followed. The object which he had in were justifiable as a measure of retaliation view was, that the house should have a against the enemy; and for the sake of full opportunity of discussing the Orders argument, he would admit, though he cerin Council after they were put into a shape tainly was of a different opinion, that they and form, in which they were capable of were not inconsistent with the common being discussed. At present he did not usage of nations; but, what he wished to mean to express either approbation or know was (and upon this point there was disapprobation of them. The present was no information whatever to enable the one of the very few instances, in which an house to form any opinion) what was like'administration had brought such a mea- ly to be their effect upon the trade of the sure before parliament without producing country? In this single point of view, he any information, or proposing some step considered the present as one of the most by which information could be obtained, stupendous questions that ever had been calculated to guide the judgment of the agitated. It involved not a matter of sublegislature upon the measure on which it ordinate regulation, not the prosperity of was called
to decide. In other in-one branch of trade, but the commerce of stances, ministers had been rather dispos- the whole world, that commerce on which ed to challenge, than to shrink from a the prosperity and the very existence of discussion of their acts, but in the present, England, in its present circumstances, dethe papers had merely been recommended pended. Was it therefore because our in the king's Speech to the consideration present situation was peculiar? Was it
because our affairs were in a more critical mendation contained in his majesty's conjuncture, than they had ever been in Speech, without examining whether the before? Or was it because the question measure in itself was right or wrong? He was more interesting and more important did not now ask the right hon. gent. to than any that could be canvassed, that give up his measure ; let him only confess even the most common precautions were that he had been guilty of an omission; not to be adopted, and a decision passed and let its progress be suspended till the with unprecedented precipitancy? In this house had put itself into a situation to country, from the existence of a body of judge of its merits. If, however, in spite merchants of liberal education, enlightened of his suggestion, the right hon. gent. perviews, unrivalled probity, and great expe- sisted in carrying it through, all that he rience, the house of commons could com- would say was, that he admired the boldmand means of information upon such a ness, not to use a harsher word, of the subject, of which no other government was right hon. gent. He must be sensible that in possession? Ile wished to know the opi- the house was now acting upon no better nions of the merchants upon this subject. ground than blind and implicit confidence There were many persons, it was true, in his judgment; and if he happened to belonging to this respectable class in the err, the last hope of the country was gone. house of commons, but they were pre- For if the measure should fail (he did not vented, probably, by the circumstance of pretend to say whether it would or not), their not being accustomed to deliver their but if it happened to fail, to what sources sentiments' in public, from giving their did the right hon. gent. look, to supply opinions. These, however, they would the defalcation in the revenue which would give before a committee. This infor- result from it? The right hon. gent. mation he wanted, and to this informa- seemed to think, that it would be the tion he was entitled. The right hon. means of compelling the enemy to congent. had this very day moved for a clude a peace; but this was simply an opiCommittee to inquire into the present state nion, and if it failed in producing this effect, of the West India trade; and not only was he sure that it would not diminish our that, but every other question, shrunk into means of carrying on the war; and if it nothing when compared with the pre- should cripple our revenue, what would he sent. Mr. Tierney said, he did not know then have to say for having refused inon what information the right hon. gent. formation to that house? It would be a had proceeded in issuing the Orders in poor consolation then, that the right hon. Council
, but sure he was that he needed gent. had taken all the responsibility to information. However well entitled that himself; and that the blame rested upon right hon. gent. was to the praise of great his shoulders. The right hon. gent. at three acuteness and much ability in many re o'clock last Friday morning, had refused spects, yet he could not be supposed to be to accede to the smallest delay, but in the greatly conversant with commercial sub-course of the next twelve hours, he had jects; and the fact was, that there was not found it necessary to recede from his deone individual in the present administra- termination, and he (Mr. T.) was confition to whom the country looked up in dent, that as he proceeded, difficulties matters of trade. It was but fair, there would press upon him at every turning. fore, that the house should know from He even now ventured to predict, that he what quarter the information came upon would be obliged to divide the bill into which they acted. Trade was a subject two parts, and to refer both back to a with which the imagination had nothing committee. He wished for nothing that to do, and on which all theories might would savour like a triumph over the right be fallacious: here experience was the hon. gent.; on the contrary, he declared, safe and only guide. He called upon upon his honour, that he was actuated the house to bear in mind, that they might solely by a wish to promote the interests soon, if the course of proceeding was not of the country. Every person must conarrested, be passing a bill, of the merits of fess, that now they were wholly in the which they would be completely igno- dark, and the house owed it to the country rant; and if the other house should sonch to inform themselves respecting the tendown a message, requesting to be in- dency of it proceedings. It owed this to formed on what grounds they had acted in the country upon many grounds, but upon so doing, what answer could they give, but none more than to shew that it was alive that they had complied with the recom- to the distresees of the people. Only
forty-eight hours ago a petition, stating tant interests.' To this proceeding Mr. T. these distresses, had been presented to the shewed there could be no objection, whehouse, signed by 30,000 people. (p. 692.) ther he considered it as a question of ges He was far from rejoicing that peti- neral policy or merely as a question of retions of this description were presented, venue. But as it was, the right hon. gent. but when petitions such as that were pre- had first issued the Orders, then he had sented, and, as had been justly remarked advised the prorogation of parliament, by a right hon. gent. not now in his place lest it should have an opportunity of (Mr. Canning), couched in the most re- taking cognizance of them too soon, and spectful and becoming language, they afterwards, when it did meet, he would not were surely on that very account entitled give the house of commons an opportunity to greater consideration. It ought never of discussing them. This was the course to be out of the mind of that right hon. which the right hon. gent. had pursued, gent, nor out of the mind of the house, that and instead of blaming, he ought to thank there were 30,000 individuals in the coun him (Mr: T.) for endeavouring to turn him try who were in want of bread. .. The from it. - He assured the right hon. gent. right hon. gente might say, perhaps, that that it was idle to attempt to run a race of these petitions were determined on before privation with the French; in the first the Orders in Council were issued, but place, because they were better accustomthey surely were a sufficient reason for 'ed to privations than we were, and in the paying greater attention to every thing vext place, because he knew no class who which might tend to give relief to the were more susceptible to any species of sufferers, and for avoiding any thing which hardship than the merchants, who would might have the effect of aggravating their be first affected by this measure. He did sufferings. And was the right hon. gent. not mean to say that they were at all desure that the present measure would not in- ficient in loyalty, or that they were backcrease the number of these sufferers from ward in contributing their full share to the 30,000, to 300,000. Was he fully aware wants of the country. But in order to of their tendency to produce a war with make these contributions, they must have America; and had he taken into his calcu- profits, and without profits it would be lation the injury which would accrue from vain to make an appeal to their patriot* such an event to the industrious and manu ism. The right hon. gent. did not con. facturing classes of the people? Here Mr. tend that the measure was calculated to
Tierney adverted in terms of the highest mend the present state of our commerce. praise to the able pamphlet of Mr. Baring, [Here the chancellor of the exchequer and asked if any merchant would take upon seemed to dissent.] Well, said Mr. T. so him to controvert the statements and op:- I understood him; but if he really thinks nions which it contained? He called then that it will improve our trade, why is he upon the right hon. gent, to look at the situ- unwilling that evidence of this should be ation of 30,000 men, who told him that given before a committee? Does he they were in want of bread, notwithstand tend to "do good hy stealth, and blush to ing the advantage they derived from living find it fame?"-But all that he underunder the most indulgent masters, who stood him to expect was, that it would were smarting under the pressure of every open a profitable career of smuggling, and kind of difficulty, and when he did that, he should be glad that his expectations to say, whether he would persist in re were even so far well founded. In short, fusing to refer to a committee a measure he confessed himself totally at a loss even by which it was at least possible, if not to divine the motives of the right hon. probable, that this difficulty might be gent. for his present mode of proceeding; greatly enhanced? Was not this such an but, whatever this might be, which he had extensive question of trade as to require no means of knowing, he conjured the house the most extensive investigation? To this before granting its sanction to a measure question he begged that he would say aye of such magnitude, to avail itself of the inor no. If he was of opinion that it would formation which it had the means of obtainbe better to discuss it in a select or secret ing, and which was essential to regulate its committee, he (Mr. T.) should have no judgment instead of putting every thing to objection to either; but do not let him hazard by a hasty and precipitate decision. bold out the house of commons to the He called upon the right hon. gent. in parcountry as careless.and indifferent about ticular, who was prevented by scruples, a subject consected with its most impor- which he was most ready to admit were