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the third was to be brought to a division, Latouche, R. Piggott, Sir A. it should have his vote. He conceived Leach, J.
Russell, Lord W. that ministers, by their own shewing, gave Lyttleton, Hon. W. Scudamore, R. P. very little hopes of peace. He thought Lloyd, J. M. Sheridan, Rt, b. R. B. that it would be acting more consistently Madocks, W, A.
Smith, J. with the honour, the interest, and the dig. Martin, H.
Walpole, Hon. G. nity of the country, to enter into nego- Marle, Hon. W. Ward, Hon. J. W.
that at any future period. Milbanke, Sir R. Wardell, G. L. Mr. Sheridan did not agree with his hon. Miller, Sir T. Wharton, J. friend who had just sat down. He would Mosely, Sir 0. Whitbread, S. vote for all the three propositions. He ord, w.
Tellers. contended, that ministers had shewn an
Mahon, Viscount, aversion to peace in two instances, and
Smith, Williain that they ought not to be trusted to reject a third offer. He was sorry to hear a
HOUSE OF LORDS. great deal stated respecting commercial
Tuesday, March 1. distress, from a very respectable quarter : [OFFICES IN REVERSION Bil...] On the but he was certain that the picture which order of the day being read for the 2nd had been drawn was greatly overcharged. reading
of this bill, He knew there was no such distress in the The Earl of Lauderdale called the atcountry; and if it did exist, he never tention of the house to those passages in would avow it : for to hold such language the speeches of his majesty to parliament; was to capitulate at once. It had been on the 27th of April, and the 26th of June, said, to vote the third resolution would be expressing a desire that the inquiries, with to encourage petitions for peace. In his a view to public economy, should be conopinion it would completely put an end to tinued. The committee of finance which them. As it did not appear that the dis- had existed in the former parliament had cussion could be terminated this night, been re-appointed in this case ; which he moved that the debate be adjourned committee had recommended this measure until to-morrow.
His lordship adverted to the circumstance Mr. Adam wished that his right hon. of this bill having been thrown out in the friend would withdraw his motion for ad. last session, when none of the ministers journment. He declared that he would
were present, except the noble and learned vote for all the three propositions. lord on the woolsack; and expressed å
Mr. Sheridan withdrew the motion of hope that, under all the circumstances in adjournment.
which this bill was again pressed on their Mr. Whitbread replied; after which the lordships' attention, they would not now house divided on each of the three Reso- reject it. lutions, which were all negatived. The Lord Arden opposed the bill, on the following are the numbers which appeared ground of its being a direct and unneceson each division : Ist division, Ayes 70; sary infringement on the king's prerogaNoes 210; 2d division Ayes 67; Noes 211; tive. He also objected to the resolution 3d division Ayes 58; Noes 217. of the house of commons subsequent to List of the Minority on the third Resolution, he considered rather as a species of legis
the rejection of the bill last session, which Abercromby, Hon. J. Colborne, N. W.R.
lation. He was aware that his opposition Adam, W. Craig, James
to the bill was liable to much misrepreAnson, G.
Combe, H. C. Antonie, W. L. Creevey, T.
sentation ; but that should not deter him Aubrey, Sir John Dundas, Hon. C. J.. from performing what he conceived to be Bewicke, c.
Dundas, Hon. R. L. an act of public duty. Biddulph, R. M. Fergusson, R.
Earl Spencer was perfectly convinced of Bouverie, Hon. G. Greenbill, R. the purity of the motives which actuated Bradshaw, Hon. A.C. Halsey, J.
the noble lord. He did not think this bill Brand, Hon. T. Herbert, H. A.
of any essential or vital importance; but Browne, Anthony Hibbert, G.
under the circumstances in which it was Burdett, Sir F. Horner, F. Byng, George Johnstone, G.
before the house, he thought their lordCalcraft, Sir G. Jekyll, T.
ships ought to pause before they again reCavendish, Lord G. Lanibe, Hon. Wm. jected it. He thought it rather tended to Cavendish, w. Lambton, R. J. support the prerogative of the crown, than Cavendish, G. H. C. Latouché, J. to infringe upon it.
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The Lord Chancellor objected to the bill The Earl of Darnley supported the bill. in its present shape, as wholly unfit to pass Lord Auckland, from the unlimited eninto a law, from the vague manner in actments of the bill, was not prepared to which it was drawn up, and the general assent to it. enactments which it contained.
The house then divided on the question, willing, however, to vote for the 2nd read- Contents . . 34 Proxies - -35--09 ing, if there was any prospect of so mo Non-Contents 36
25-61 difying it in the committee as to free it
Majority from those objections to which at present he thought it liable.
Lord Hawkesbury wished the bill to go to a committee, on the grounds that it
Wednesday, March 2. might be expedient to regulate the grant (Lord Lake. ]-Lord Castlereagh, in call. ing of offices in reversion, so as to prevent ing the attention of the house to the noabuses; and also to give time for the ma tice respecting a Monument to be erected turing of any plan of economy which it to the memory of lord Lake, which had might be wished to propose, and which been suspended by a notice, having a prior might, therefore, render it adviseable to claim to the attention of the house, on a suspend for a certain time the granting of former night, did not mean to recur to offices in reversion, that in the mean while that notice, or again to otter to the house it might be ascertained whether there the motion which was the subject of it. were any offices which it would be expe- Having communicated with many persons dient to regulate or abolish.
devoted to the memory of Lord Lake, and Earl Grosvenor approved of the bill in participating in the high veneration in its present shape, and hoped that no com- which he held the services of that gallant promise would take place, but that the man, he found that it was the general wish bill would pass as it was.
of those persons to give way to the diffiThe Earl of Westmoreland supported the culties of parliamentary form that had 2nd reading on the same grounds as lord arisen. The family of the noble lord, Hawkesbury. As to ministers not attend- deeply penetrated with a sense of gratitude ing on the discussion of this bill last ses for the vote passed the other night, was sion, why did not noble lords on the other willing to rest its claims on the public side attend that discussion; and why had bounty there, than press a point upon not this bill, if it was so important, been which many of those who had voted in sooner taken up by them?
approbation of lord Lake's general merit Lord Redesdale objected to the bill alto- and services, might be found in opposition. gether, and thought it incapable of any in this feeling he thought it his duty to conmodification which could render it fit to cede; but he could not help lamenting, be passed into a law.
that parliament appeared to have laid it Lord Holland deprecated that species down as a principle, that the glorious tesof recriminatory observations, which could timony of a public monument was to be tend to no possible good. Noble lords on
Noble lords on confined to the services of those who died his side of the house had not previously in battle. Lord Howe's monument was taken up the bill, only because they did the only exception to this rule, for that of not wish to shew a want of candour to- lord Cornwallis's stood on entirely distinct wards ministers for the sake of catching ground. He admitted that the limitation at a little popularity. He could not help to those who died in battle was a good and observing, that those noble lords who had convenient general principle. But at the opposed the bill in toto had acted with the same time, when Monuments were held greatest fairness. His lordship defended to be the most appropriate marks of pubthe vote of the house of commons, which, lic gratitude, as being at the same time being merely for an humble address to his most honourable to the deceased, and best majesty to suspend the granting of offices calculated to excite emulation in the minds in reversion until six weeks after the com of posterity, it seemed to be a strange ex. mencement of this session of parliament, clusion that prevented a lord Lake, a lord he could not conceive liable to the objec- Rodney, and a lord Duncan, from being tions of the noble and learned lord. found among the illusi rious heroes thus
The Duke of Montrose opposed the bill in consecrated to fame, while many persons of toto, thinking it incapable of any desirable much inferior rank and 'merit were so homodification.
noured. The distinction would never be
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asked but for striking examples of merit, which they afford extremely imperfect and service, and the reward may safely and unsatisfactory.—That in a matter in be granted without the fear of deviating which both the honour and the interests into abuse. It would certainly be no injury of our country are so deeply concerned. to those who fell in battle, to admit to a par- we had hoped for the fullest explanaticipation of this honour, those who had tions. The principles of our constituequally entitled themselves by victory, and tion and the uniform practice of his mawho had no other bar to their claim but that jesty, and the sovereigns of his illustriof a greater interval of time between their ous house, require, that parliament should service and their death. It was not the be distinctly apprized of the true grounds death but the service that was the proper of entering into new wars, especially in object of reward.
a situation of our country wholly unprecedented.—Had Denmark been a party to any hostile confederacy against the rights
or interests of the British empire, our reThursday, March 3.
sistance would have been necessary, and (EXPEDITION TO COPENHAGEN.)- Earl our warfare legitimate. Under such cirDarnley rose to make his promised motion cumstances, we should only have had to reon this subject. His lordship took a re gret, that the ports and arsenals of that view of the principal circumstances con- country should so lightly have been abana nected with this expedition; and con- doned, when advantages so very inconsitended, that the only ground on which it derable had been derived from their temcould be justified was actual necessity; porary occupation, and when by our contiwhich was not proved to exist by any do- 1 nuing to hold them during the war, all real cuments before the house, nor by mini- danger from that quarter might have been sters, who, on the contrary, continually effectually averted. But we cannot doubt, shifted their ground of justification, and that Denmark, instead of engaging in hostile had made out no case which, in hiş opi- leagues, had resolved still to maintain her nion, was at all satisfactory. It had been neutrality. This fact is proved even by said, that an option was given to the prince the imperfect documents which have been regent to deliver up the Danish fleet ; but laid before us, and is confirmed by the could it be said to be an option, when it proclamation issed by his majesty's comwas evident, that if he had delivered up manders immediately before the attack. the fleet, Holstein and Jutland would im- Certainly Denmark was no party, nor does mediately have been seized by France ? | it appear that she was privy to any confeThis expedition, it had been said, was sent deracy hostile to this country. We are to ward off danger from this country ; but not even satisfied that such a league did how had that danger been prevented ? really exist.—The conclusion of any seThe danger was not of an invasion of this cret articles at Tilsit affecting the rights country, but of the Baltic being shut or interests of the British empire appears against us; and instead of precluding to have been uniformly denied both by this danger, the expedition had acce- Russia and France.—The correspondence lerated it. Possession of Zealand had not of his majesty's secretary of state, and the been retained, and Denmark had been dates of the transactions themselves, prove thrown completely into the arms of France. that his majesty's ministers could not be The national character had, in his opinion, in possession of any such articles when the been degraded, and the national honour attack was ordered against Copenhagen; stained by this expedition; and what had we and it has been distinctly admitted in this gained? 16 ships of the line, which could house, that they have not yet obtained a be of little service; and as to the stores, they copy of them. The king's ambassador at did not amount in value to the stores ex- Petersburgh, in an official note, rested the pended in the expedition; and the whole was defence of the measure not on any hostile not equal to the expence of the expedition. purposes either of Denmark or of Russia, - The noble earl concluded with moving, but solely on the designs which it was said
That an humble Address be presented to the French government had long since his majesty, submitting, That after atten- been known to entertain.--His majesty's tively considering all the public documents ministers not only forbore to advise such before us concerning the late attack on measures as would have been necessary to Copenhagen, and the war which it had repel any real hostility of Russia: but produced, we have found the information they actually solicited the mediation of
that power; to extinguish a war, and her peared that there was abundant cause to
Friedland, it was evident that Denmark
from her previous conduct that her incli- FARD. ]-Sir J. Newport rose, pursuant to nations were with France. The house di- notice, to move, « That there be laid be. vided :
fore this house, a Copy of the patent by · Contents 26 Proxies - 25— 51 which John Giffard, esg. has been recent: Non-contents 56
54-110 ly appointed to the office of Accomptant Majority
-59 General of the customs in Ireland, together Whilst strangers were excluded there with a statement of the manner in whịch was a short conversation on the motion the vacancy of the said office took place. of lord Eliot, for an Address to his ina Sir A. Wellesley was of opinion, that the jesty, stating, “ That this house, consider- hon. baronet ought to have laid some par ing the Declarations laid before them by liamentary ground for the production of his majesty's command; the state to which these Papers. He should have shewn, the Continent was reduced, in consequence either that the person appointed to the of the negociations and peace of Tilsit; office was an improper person to be apthe avowed declaration of the French go- pointed, or that he had been incapable of vernment to exclude the British-flag from exe
xecuting the duties of it, and therefore every port of Europe, and to combine all unfit to be appointed. the powers
of the continent in a general Sir J. Newport had abstained from enter, confederacy against the maritime rights ing into the discussion more at length, in and political existence of G. Britain; inost order to save the time of the house, but he highly approve the prompt and vigorous would undertake to shew, if the papers measures which were adopted by his ma should be granted, both that the former jesty's ministers, for the purpose of remov- dismissal of Mr. Giffard was right and ing out of the reach of his majesty's ene proper; and that consequently, he was not mies the fleet and naval resources of Den- a fit person to be advanced to the office he mark.” The house then divided :
now held. Contents 64 Prosies - 61-125 Sir A.. Wellesley stated, that the gentle Non-contents' 29 Proxies 284.57 man to, whom the hon, bart. alluded had Majority
-68 been an old servant of the crown, and had [PROTEST AGAINST THE REJECTION OF never been dismissed for any reason offici, THE ADDRESS PROPOSED BY LORD DARN- | ally stated. He undoubtedly held opiniLEY.] “ Dissentient; For the reasons which ons upon the subject of the Catholics, in are assigned in the proposed Address to common with the majority of the inhabihis majesty; and which we are desirous tants of the united empire, and though he of recording as a memorial of our senti- might have urged these opinions indisments on a measure which has, as we fear, creetly, at a time when the subject was fixed an indelible stigma on the honour of under the consideration of parliament, our country.” (Signed by the peers whose that was not a reason why he should be names appear to the following protest.) perpetually excluded from office. The
[PROTEST AGAINST THE RESOLUTION PRO office of which he had been deprived yield POSED BY LORD Eliot.) • Dissentient; ed hina 700l. per annum, whilst that to Because we hold it highly unbecoming for which he had been since appointed prothis house to pass a Vote of Approbation duced only 6001. As no ground had been of ministers, without any proof of the al- laid for the motion, he could see no use in legations adduced by those ministers in producing the papers called for. their own cause, upon so momentous a pro Mr. Croker thought that the dismissal of ceeding. . (Signed,) Wm. Frederick (duke Mr. Giffard was, if not an arbitrary, a of Gloucester,) Vassall Holland, Derby, least an indiscreet act upon the part of the Spencer, Ponsonby, Rawdon (earl Moira,) Irish government, and that the restoration Essex, Clifton, (earl of Darnley,) Stafford, of that gentleman to office was a mere act Crewe, Jersey, Bedford, Grenville, Albe- of justice. Mr. G. was not apprised of marle, Carysfort, Sidmouth, Grey, Ponson, the disapprobation felt by government at by, (Besborough,) St. John, Hutchinson, the line of conduct he was pursuing, until King, Breadalbane, Fitz-william, Lauder- after he had made his motion as a corpo, dale, Ailsa, Erskine, Suffolk and Berkshire, rator of the city of Dublin. In making Auckland, Buckinghamshire."
that motion for a petition to parliament, he was exercising a constitutional right,
and certainly the gentlemen opposite, who, Thursday, March 3.
on every occasion, professed themselves (MOTION. RESPECTING ME JOHN Gir- | friends to the right of petitioning, would
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