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although Hals's example has certainly the benefit took place at 1013, but this included the accrued dividend of priority. He states, under the head of the of 14 per cent. The lowest price of the century was 50 }, parish of Egleshayle, that there was a Mr. Ed
July, 1803, on the recominencement of hostilities beward Hoblyn, a gent. and attorney-at-law, who previous century was 113, in the year 1736 ; and the
tween England and France. The highest point of the was in possession of an estate in the parish called lowest, in 1798, was 47). During the past twenty years, Crone or Croan, and that he was specially me the average price of consols has been 92." morable for his saying, when he first began to
X. C. practise, that he would get an estate by the law A LADY'S WARDROBE IN 1622.—The following one way or other (which Hals, without proper deserves a place in “N. & Q.”:authority, says means right or wrong); and as Hals
“Note of Lady Elizabeth Morgan, late Sister to Sir proceeds to say
Nathaniel Rich, her wearing apparell beinge in a * Common fame says he was as good as his word, but great bar'd Chest in my Ladie's Bedchamber, this whether by the first or last way, who can tell? Where 13th day of Nort, 1622. upon since his death, by an unknown but arch hand, was
“ Imprimis. 1 grene damask gowne, kirtell, and wastfixed upon his grave in this parish church this taunting
coate with gould and silver lace. epitaph :
1 tamy gould satten gowne and kirtell, and wastcoate • Here lies Ned,
laid with gould lace. I am glad he's dead.
1 black silke grograme gowne, kirtell and wastcoate If there must be another,
striped with silver. I wish 'twere his brother,
1 blacke satten gowne, kirtell, and wastcoate set with And for the good of the nation
goulde buttons. His whole relation.'
1 willow colored satten peticoate imbrothered."
P. P. F. Under the head of Falmouth, Hals mentions Thomas Killigrew, of the Arwinick family, a
THE WIDOW BLACKETT OF OXFORD: CHARLES celebrated wit and Master of the Revels in the LAMB. — In the new edition of Elia by Messrs. time of Charles II., but not a regularly installed Bell & Daldy, there is an essay named “The jester. He went to Paris in the time of Louis Gentle Giantess," the first of Eliana. I would XIV.; but, being politically out of humour, was
ask if this was an Oxford celebrity, or a coinage of silent, and the great monarch thought him' dull. the pleasant author's brain, as it is by no means He showed him his fine collection of pictures, of easy for one unacquainted with C. L. to tell his which Killigrew took little notice, and appeared facts from his fictions? The editor has given an to know nothing about them. At last the king interesting appendix, but in it there is no refershowed him a picture of the Crucifixion, which
ence to this character. was placed between two portraits, but still the
May I be allowed also to notice, what is no wit said he did not know what it meant.
doubt a printer's error, that in the succeeding “Why then,” said the king, “ I will tell you what they Leonard da Vinci, late in the possession of Mr.
essay,* in alluding to a celebrated painting by are : the picture in the centre is the draught of our Saviour on the cross ; that on the right-hand of him is Troward of Pall Mall, he says : the pope's pieture, and that on the left is my own.”
“ He who could paint that wonderful personification of “I hambly thank your majesty,” says Killigrew,“ for the Logos, or third person of the Trinity, grasping a the information you have given me; for though I have globe when the hand was, by the boldest license, twice often heard that our Saviour was crucified between two as big as the truth of drawing warranted : yet the effect, thieves, yet I never knew who they were till now.” to every one who saw it, was confessed by some magic of
The king. was now convinced of Killigrew's genius, not to be monstrous, but miraculous and silencing.” power of wit and satire, for at this time he and As there is no list of errata (indeed, with this the pope were cruelly persecuting the French exception, there requires none) I mention it for Protestants, and dragooning them to mass future correction, never having heard the third driving them out of the kingdom.
person of the Trinity called Logos. J. A. G. WM. SANDYS.
BISHOP BUTLER'S BEST Book. — Mr. Froude, in
his Short Studies on Great Subjects (i. 34), says THE PRICE OF Consols.—The following, taken that Bishop Butlerfrom Morgan's British Trade Journal of July 2, is “Says somewhere, that the best book which could be worth preserving :
written would be a book consisting only of premises, “Consols * are now at the highest point they have
from which the readers should draw conclusions for themreached since 1860. They were at 100% ex-dividend in
selves.” 1852, while the rate of discount was 2 per cent. The Does this occur in his “ Sermons” or in his highest price touched by consols during the present century was 101, on the 24th Dec. 1852;
eight years pre- be, one seems to feel that the premises would
Analogy ? "
However good such a book might viously-namely, on the 20th Dec. 1844, transactions
hardly pay for erecting; just now tenants would * Consols for money and the account yesterday were last quoted heavy at 944 and 944 respectively."-Standard,
be wanting in the shape of solvent conclusions. July 4, 1867.
* The Reynolds Gallery.
Doctors' dicta bristle in array on either side of to lay down drawing paper for water-colour every human question of right and wrong. drawings on another paper ? Common paste can
C. A. W. be worked more smoothly, and stands the subMay Fair.
sequent wetting better than anything I have yet DRINKING-CUP INSCRIPTION. The following tried; but after the paper has been put aside for inscription for a drinking-cup occurs in a most
a time, the paste is apt to cause spots, which are unlikely place. In The Compleat Clark, containing not visible until the washes of colour are laid on
A. F. B. the best forms of all Sorts of Presidents, 1664, p. 850, and cannot be remedied. is a form for “a citizen's will.” In this docu
Dutch TRAGEDY.ment an imaginary J. G. is made to say —
* The Pedlingtonians proclaimed Daubson for their “I give to the worshipful company of M. in L. whereof I own, and were proud to be Pedlingtonians; the Higham a fellow, towards a recreation to be had amongst them lander, where grass will not grow, and the sunshine is at my burial, the sum of 61. 13s. 4d., and a cup of silver and about as frequent as an eclipse, says, “This is my own, gilt, of the weight of 40 ounces, to remain in that com my native land ;' and Laclerque describes a Dutch trapany for ever, and to have graven in the bottom these gedy, in which a Spaniard says to the hero, ‘You speak two letters J. G., and a posie written in this manner - like a warrior,' and is answered, 'Yes! I speak like a “When the Drink is out, and the bottom you may see, Dutchman,' on which the Spaniard exclaims • Would I Remember your brother J. G.
were one!'”—“On National Pride,” in Collectanea, by as a remembrance of my Fellowship amongst them. Also
James E. Brenton. Philadelphia, 1834, 12mo, p. 76. I will that there be spice-bread given to the Livery ac If such a tragedy exists, I shall be glad of a cording to the custom.”
reference to it. I suspect that the translation is EDWARD PEACOCK. exaggerated.
C. E. T. JOHN MATTHEW LEIGH, author of Cromwell, a Queries.
historical play, 1838. Wanted, any information ANONYMOUS.--Who was the author of an 8vo of
regarding the author. Has he published anything else ?
R. I. sixty-five pages, entitled A Philosophical Enquiry into the Origin and Antiquity of the English Lan “ FORM." Within the last year or two this guage (Dublin, 1843), “ in which it is clearly word has been used in the sporting department of proved that it is the immediate gift of heaven to
our newspapers in a sense that has altogether man, and the first spoken on earth " ? АвнВА. . puzzled me. The form of a racehorse used to THE CURSE OF SCOTLAND. — Several notes on
mean his shape; but now the term is employed
in a manner altogether new; and I turn to this subject appeared in your first series, in which the writers endeavoured to account for the nine
“ N. & Q.” to enlighten my ignorance. So long of diamonds bearing this sobriquet. None of of my newspaper I was content to pass it by, but
as I read of “form ” only in the sporting portion them appear to have read of or heard any other when a word has been used by The Times in an card in the pack so styled. In No. 108 of the editorial article, it acquires à certain degree of Connoisseur, however, incidental mention is made of “the Knave of Clubs, or the Curse of Scots authority. In March of last year, when commentland.”. Can your readers offer any reason for this ing on the University boat-race, The Times thus card bearing the name, or refer to any other notice spoke of the Oxonians: -" The victors, whose form
was far from faultless, but whose courage was inmade of it?
W. C. J.
vincible." And to-day (July 2), in looking over the CONSECRATION OF A CHURCH BY AN ARCH new volume of the Annual Register, I find "form" DEACON.—It is stated in Newcourt's Repertorium embalmed in the grave pages of that standard (vol. ii. p. 84) that the church of Woodham- work. In describing the University boat-race, the Walter, in Essex, being fallen very much into Annual Register mentions “form no less than decay, and standing at a great distance from the seven times, and in their reports of the various village, licence was granted to Thomas Earl of races of the year this pet word again occurs. Will Sussex, in 1562, to build a new church there on some sporting reader of “N. & Q." kindly explain such site as he should think fit; which the earl the sense in which it is used — the new meaning did, and the new church was consecrated April 30, attached to this old word ?
JAYDEE. 1562, “ by Thomas Cole, Archdeacon of Essex, especially commissionated thereto by Edward Grin
LA MAISON DE TITAIRE. — In Monsieur de dall, Bishop of London."
Magny's Nobiliaire de Normandie I find, amongst Is this instance unique, or is it competent to an English places, names, and titles, the following,
many other strange and wonderful corruptions of archdeacon to consecrate a church?
under the head of “Titaire de Glatigny:" —
“On lit dans le Nobiliaire Généalogique des familles DRAWINGS.-Can any of your readers tell me d'Angleterre, d'Écosse et d'Irlande (par Joseph Adam de of a paste or glue which can be used with safety Wilberforce, sur la Maison de Titaire, en Anglais
Titeyrre) : Les seigneurs de ce nom descendent d'une morates the event. They maintain that the first des plus anciennes maisons de Normandie, qui sous le
mass performed in Italy was in one of the churches semne de Guillaume le Conquérant passèrent avec lui en Angleterre. ... . Les Titaires eurent beaucoup de Sei
of their town. Perhaps some one acquainted with meuries, Fiefs ou Manoirs dans les Comtés de Fling, de ecclesiastical history can give authority for this Duuligh, et dans la Principauté de Galles.' La branche statement respecting St. Peter. C. T. RAMAGE. anglaise fut représentée en 1730 par Édouard, Lord Titeyre, Comte de Goring, qui de son mariage avec Jose
SUNK CHURCH.—There is on the hill side below phine Elizabeth Moyra, fille unique de Lord Moyra, Sawcliffe, in North Lincolnshire, a huge mass of Comte de Cambell, avait deux fils et trois filles !” travertine, of serpentine form, about forty yards
Can any of your readers throw any light on the long, and rising above the surface seven or eight above-mentioned personages, or the above-quoted feet in some parts of it, the water from which it author (whose name does not appear in Lowndes), was deposited being now carried down by an underor must we conclude that the French surpass drain. It has been called, time out of memory, eren ourselves in their ingenuity in pedigree "sunk church "sunken church." making?
F. D. H. According to a note in Wordsworth's Sonnets LARGE PAPER COPIES.— Wishing to know when
on the Duddon, there is a “Druidical circle about first the custom began of printing certain copies half a mile to the left of the road ascending Stoneof books on large paper as specialities, and having side from the vale of Duddon; the country people no books on the subject to refer to where I am, I call it sunken church.” Can I be informed of venture to ask your readers if they would kindly other antiquities, natural or artificial, bearing this assist by giving any. information upon
J. F. the matter appellation ?
Winterton. through that valuable “ medium of intercommunication for literary men,” “N. & Q.” ?
THE THREE PIGEONS.— Will some one learned
A. A. in the symbolism of signboards explain the meanPoets' Corner.
ing of this sign, which seems to have been a NAUTICAL SAYING. – What is the origin, if common one, and possibly possessed a religious known, and correct wording of the sailor's com- sigpificance ? The Salutation Sign, Annunciation, ment on an improbable story: “ Tell that to the and Three Kings of Cologne, suggest some such marines, for the sailors won't believe it"? A friend meaning. Goldsmith's famous song has made the insists that it should be " horse marines.” “Three Jolly Pigeons” familiar. It was a sign
PIERCE EGAN, JUNR.
in the west of Ireland more than a century ago;
and I find it also in France at as early a period. PENNY.—Is the Sanscrit word panna, a copper I quote from Jay's Dictionnaire des Contemporains, value, or coin (?) in the laws of Menu, the origin 1825, under the head “ Revaiol” of our word penny ?
.. une auberge, GEORGES PILLESARY.— Where can I find some les trois pigeons,” &c. &c. account of M. Georges Pillesary, General of Ma
N. B. C. rine under Louis XIV.? His daughter Angélique
Vis.— Vis argenti (L.), force argent (Fr.), a was the second wife of the first Viscount St. John. French memoirs of his time do not men
power of money. (Mod. Hibernian). Has this
idiom existence in other languages, as one would tion him.
be disposed to conclude from the examples given ? OLD SEALS ON CHARTERS, ETC.-Will any cor
Q. Q. respondent inform me what constitutes the sub
WALTHAM ABBEY. — Can any of your correstances of seals which are attached to old charters, spondents inform me when the existing outside &c.?
S. M. P.
arch of Waltham Abbey was erected—that is, ST. CATALDUS AND ST. PETER. — This saint is the arch which formerly divided the nave from said to have been the first Bishop of Taranto in the chancel, and is now built up to form the end the south of Italy, and by tradition a native of of the present church ?
C. Raphoe in Ireland. Can any of your correspondents acquainted with the saints of the Roman
CARDINAL WOLSEY'S BEDSTEAD.-Twenty years Calendar give his Irish name, and state at what ago I was shown at an old farm-house (I think period he lived ?' The Tarantines claim to have the Manor Farm) at Ingarsby, Leicestershire, an received their first knowledge of Christianity from
ancient bedstead, stated by good people of the St. Peter, who landed, as they say, at a spot about house to have been brought from the Abbey at twenty miles south of Taranto, on the shore of the Leicester, and to have been that on which the bay, where a chapel sacred to the Apostle comme
great cardinal died. Can this statement be cor
roborated ? I well remember that the bedstead I (* For some account of St. Cataldus consult Alban saw was of elaborately carved oak, in good preBatler's Lices of the Saints, May 10; and Ware's Ireland, servation, and evidently of some antiquity.
C. by Harris, i. 549.-Ed.]
Queries with Answers.
faces which most people are familiar with. On
one side it is a pope's head with tiara, which, STYLE OF REVEREND"AND" VERY REVEREND." when turned upside down, represents the devil, Dr. South, in his Animadversions upon Dr. Sher- with a long curling horn (the faces are naturally lock's Book, entituled “A Vindication of the in profile) and big ears. Inscription : ECCLESIA, Trinity,” G:c., says of Sherlock's friends (p. ii.): PERVERSA . TENET . FACIEM , DIABOLI. On the
other side is a cardinal's head; and this, on being “ Nay, and some I find creeping under his feet, with the title of Very Reverend, while they are charging him
turned upside down, presents a fool's head, cap, with such qualities and humours as none can be justly and bells. The inscription is, STYLTI , ALIQVANDO . chargeable with and deserve reverence too. For my own [here, I think, there is a short word obliterated] part, I frankly own that I neither reverence nor fear
There appears to be no date. Can him."
any reader of “N. & Q.” tell me anything about These Animadversions were published in 1693. this medal ? The heads are very clear; the inNow, it could hardly have been reckoned, even by scriptions not so much so.
R. C. S. W. so uncompromising a controversialist as South,
[The medal described by our correspondent is figured an act of sycophancy to give Sherlock his style of in Rigollot's Monnaies des Fous (plate 4, fig. 10), and is “Very Reverend,” if that had been a mere matter correctly described by him (p. xc.) as a satirical medal of course : so that I should be glad to learn, directed against the court of Rome. The inscriptions are through the medium of “N. & Q.,” how long it correctly given by our correspondent. Leber describes has been the practice in England to address a Dean as “ Very Reverend.” And this suggests to Calvin : on one side of which is a double head of Calvin
and gives a figure of a similar medal directed against me to ask further, since what period it has been usual to address 'a clergyman as “ the Rev. Mr. mitred and a horned devil, and the inscription, JOAN.
CALVINUS HERESIARCH PESSIMUS; and on the reverse B.," the Rev. A. B.” In a list of annual
the double head of a cardinal and a fool, and the inscrippreachers at a school-anniversary, which I saw
See some years ago, the style “Rev.” was first used tion, ET STULTI, ALIQUANDO SAPITE, PSAL. XCIII.
“ N. & Q.," 1st S. vii. 238. ] (if my memory serves me right) early in the last century. At Cambridge, to this day, a SIR JOHN HADLEY.-Can you inform me if preacher before the University (if a simple M.A.) there is in London a monument or gravestone to is described in the notice posted in the colleges Sir John Hadley, Lord Mayor of London about as “ Mr. A. B. of Christ College.”
the year 1463 [?]. Also any information re[Respecting Deans being styled “Very Reverend,” the garding the family as to their ancestry and arms late John Wilson Croker stated in “N.& Q." (1st S. iii. 437) will much oblige. One branch of the family, I that, in a long series of old almanacks in his library, the believe, settled in Warwickshire.
GEO. PARSONS. list of Deans is invariably given as the “Reverend the Dean ” down to the year 1803. The three following years
Hadley, Hereford. were wanting ; but in that of 1807, the Dean is styled
[Sir John Hadley, sheriff in 1375, was twice Mayor of the “Very Reverend.” From the passage quoted by London, 1379 and 1393. He was buried in the church of S. C. it would seem that this honorary attribute was in
St. Pancras, Soper Lane, where was his monument. use more than a century earlier.
There were many old monuments in this church of The title of Reverend was given to the judges as late opulent citizens, ranging from 1360 to 1536; but the
fanatical rage which prevailed after the Reformation as the seventeenth century. Hence we read, “And as the Rev. Sir Edward Coke, late Lord Chief-Justice of caused nearly all of them to be demolished. At the great His Majesty's Bench, saith,” &c. By some, this title is
fire of London the church itself was destroyed. Sir John supposed to have been retained by them from the time Hadley's arms are: Az. a chevron between three annulets when ecclesiastics filled the judicial offices; whilst others
or, over all, on a fesse of the second, as many martlets consider that it was merely a title of respect applied to
gules.] all persons to whom, on account of their position in BERKELEY.—I shall be greatly obliged to anysociety, great deference was due. In the seventeenth one who will tell me the author, original place, century the word Reverend was usually coupled with and right reading of the line — learned, e. g. “That Reverend and learned Dr. Jackson."
“ And coxcombs vanquish Berkeley with a grin.” Bishop Patrick quotes “the Reverend and learned Dr. Hammond.” Beneath the portrait of John Kettlewell Lewes to Pope ; but I cannot find it in his
It is ascribed by Mr. J. S. Mill and Mr. G. H. we read " The true effigy of the Reverend and learned Mr. John Kettlewell,” &c. Vide “N. & Q.,” 1" S. vi. without a reference, as
writings. The line has been recently quoted, 246.)
“Fops refuted Berkeley with a sneer.' SATIRICAL MEDAL. I have had a coin or
W. T, C. medal shown to me, with a request to try and [This line is taken from Dr. Brown's Essay on Satire, find out what it is. It has two of those double part ii. ver. 224. The entire couplet is –
* Truth's sacred fort th' exploded laugh shall win, different popes ? Have they ever been compared,
And coxcombs vanquish Berkeley by a grin.” and their different doctrines fully examined ? Dr. Brown's Essay is prefixed to Pope's Essay on Man,
E. L. in Warburton's edition of Pope's Works, vol. iii. p. 15,
[The following work may be consulted :-“Bullarum edit. 1770, 8vo.]
Privilegiorum ac Diplomatum Romanorum Pontificum ORIGIN OF QUOTATION, WANTED.
amplissima collectio. Cui accessere Pontificum omnium “ Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerint.”
vitæ, notæ, et indices opportuni. Opera et studio Carlo' The author of this anathema was long ago in- | Cocquelines, 14 tom. 1733-1762, fol.] quired for in “N. & Q.” In 1st S. xii. 35, a respondent (W. M. T.), quoting from the “Biglow
Replies. Papers,” gives it to St. Augustine. I have just found, in another American author (O. W. Holmes,
STANSFIELD: SMYTH. The Autocrat of the Breakfast Table, p. 129), a
(3rd S. ix. 413.) different source assigned to it. He cites—" that familiar line from Donatus:
The story of the murder of Sir James Stansfield • Pereant illi qui ante nos nostra dixerunt.' at Newmilns, near Haddington, in 1687, is one of
grim interest. (See State Trials, by Howell, Donatus the schismatic, or Donatus the gram; vol. ii.; Lord Fountainhall's Works, &c.). It is marian? And which is right, Lowell or Holmes ? remarkable that it has hitherto escaped the sen
sation novelists. Certainly, imagination could not 5, Paper Buildings, Temple.
invent a more dreadful story. The poor knight (Warton, in his Essay on Pope, in a note, i. 88 (ed. complaining with sighs and tears to his friend, in 1806), sbows that it was Donatus the grammarian: “St. the Edinburgh Coffee-house, that he had no comJerome relates that his preceptor Donatus, explaining fort in wife or sons, - his dreary ride home to that sensible passage in Terence
Newmilns that bleak November evening, - the • Nihil est dictum quod non sit dictum prius,' sounds of horror in the house during the night, railed severely at the ancients for taking from him his causing his guest, pious Mr. Bell, to betake himbest thoughts :
self to his prayers, thinking the house was in • Pereant qui ante nos, nostra dixerunt.'"] possession of evil spirits, – the discovery of the ASTRAKHAN. — Where can I find a practical indecent interment, and the suspicions and ru.
body floating amidst the ice, – the hurried and account of the manufacture of isinglass as carried on in Astrakhan? Information addressed to Civis, the scene in Morhame church, when the son as
mours consequent on it, — the disinterment and care of Mr. Packer, 23, King Street, Portman
sists to raise his father's body, and the gush of Square, London, will oblige.
blood flows over his parricidal hands,—his horror[The account given by Martius of the preparation of struck exclamation,' “ Lord, have mercy upon Russian isinglass is as follows:- The swimming bladders me !”-the trial, conviction, and execution, with of the fish are first placed in hot water, carefully deprived the extraordinary mishap of the slip of the rope, of adhering blood, cut open longitudinally, and exposed the parricide falling on his knees on the scaffold, to the air, with the inner delicate silvery membrane up- and being ultimately strangled by the executioner, wards. When dried, this fine membrane is removed by dying thus the very death he had inflicted on his beating and rubbing, and the swimming bladder is then own father, — and the horrible rumours afloat made into different forms. Consult Tomlinson's Cyclo- respecting Lady Stansfield; all combine to form & pedia of Useful Arts, &c., ed. 1852, i. 754; the Encyclo- picture of horrors never surpassed by the most padia Britannica, ed. 1856, xii. 628; and the English unhealthy imagination of the Eugene Sue stamp. Cyclopædia, “ Arts and Sciences," iv. 998.]
The “testament dative and inventar of the SHAKESPEARE.-Could
tell me who is the gudes and gear" of the ill-fated Sir James is author of the following two books ?
preserved in the Register of Confirmed Testa1. “Shakespeare and his Friends ; or the Golden Age (Commissariat of Edinburgh, vol. lxxix.). It was
ments, General Register House, Edinburgh. of Merry England.” 2. “ 'i'be Youth of Shakespeare."
given in to the Commissaries of Edinburgh in Both works were published in 3 vols. by Henry 1688 by William Smyth, merchant in Edinburgh, Colburn; the former in 1838, the latter in 1839.
as assignee, his brother Alexander, also a merP. O. W.
chant in Edinburgh, becoming “cautioner.” It [Both works are by Robert Folkestone Williams, Sif James had incurred debts by bond to one
from it, amongst other particulars, that anthor of The Domestic Manners of the Royal Family, James Todrig and Margaret Syme his wife, whose
daughter, Jean, William Smyth had married; and COLLECTION OF BULLS.—Where could I meet from the trial” it appears that Sir James had a with a collection of all the bulls issued by the brother-in-law, Mr. Patrick Smyth, advocate.